• Extinction event?  There have been 5 mass extinctions so far.  The last one killed most dinosaurs and plants and animals.

    We may have a 6th mass extinction.  Or maybe we won’t.  But homicide is an actual thing that actually happens.  It’s not something that may happen.  When thinking of violence people often look at what we are capable of, and o…[Read more]

  • I understand that some from various religious groups are having their heads cut off.

    What im suggesting is, this has always been the case.  Judicial toeture has existed in almost all places through most of history and only recently fallen out of favour.

    During the Black Death, they went from village to village burning alive all the Jews.  They s…[Read more]

  • I dot think it’s just knowledge that has made life better but also increased morality globally.  Look at the homicide rate globally.

    And as for the Middle East, I think you are comparing the Middle East (and we may as well throw Latin American countries in there too) to the rest of the world.  And not comparing Middle East today to Middle East i…[Read more]

  • I am not suggesting ignoring suffering or saying everything is good so don’t expect anyone.  I’m saying: if the world is getting safer, more healthy, better fed, better medical care, and less violent, then we should acknowledge that.

    There is this belief among advocacy groups that you have to say everything is very bad ad getting worse.  They t…[Read more]

  • I know the world is filled with pain and suffering.  I’m just suggesting that a world with a child mortality rate of less than 3% is much much better than the world of the past which had a child mortality rate of about 50%.

    As an example, I know that 3% is really reallly bad and could be much much better.  I’m just saying: 3% is much better t…[Read more]

  • HOMICIDE is by far the best indicator becasue it kills way way way more than anything else and jomicides tend to get reported but rapes or assaults might not.

    And homicide is way way way way down.  It’s been falling for thousands of years.  And continues to fall to this day.

    Violence is decreasing and massively so.

  • I still find it remarkable how violence is decreasing on the millennia scale, and the century scale and even the decade scale.

    Graphs, and charts aren’t required for many categories of violence, since they went from legal and common place to almost non-existent:

    HUMAN SACRIFICE extremely common for millennia, and even practiced among the…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    If sin is disobedience to god, then it would seem that slavery is not a sin.  For god apparently regulated it, and never spoke negatively of it.

     

    If god said: “slavery is okay,” then it would be moral to have slaves.

    And if of god said: “slavery is a sin,” then it would be immoral to have salves.

    Is it arbitrary or does God base his ideas o…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    Is slavery a sin?

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    “there are many things that should not exist but does ,satan did not do us any service”
    Satan is not the one who seems to be regulating, condoning, and allowing the system of slavery among the Hebrews.
    The thing that I think should bother people is: God made commands and rules for a ton of things that today seem extremely minor. Putting the wrong…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    It seems like we are almost saying god is a victim or a bystander to this practice of slavery.  Yet all he had to do was say: “you shall have no slaves.”  And: “you shall not beat slaves.”  Had the nations around been having slaves and the Hebrews stood out as different, thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world, it would have been mi…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    “The statement that God never changes needs to be looked at in the context in which it was stated,for in the bible as the circumstances change so do the prophets,what God has to say,religious practices,and the peoples view of God.”

    If slavery is immoral, it makes sense that a God, a supreme being, would know this.  Slavery wasn’t a moral…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    “It is telling that no one in the bible ever condemns slavery outright but the principle of do unto others, and love,if taken literally should condemn such practice.”

    I’ve had this thought also.  But I’m not sure.   Saying to love someone is very vague.  Saying you can beat someone is pretty specific.

    If I told you two things:

    1. love your sl…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    “It is telling that no one in the bible ever condemns slavery outright but the principle of do unto others, and love,if taken literally should condemn such practice.”

    Ive had this thought also.  But I’m not sure.   Saying to love someone is very vague.  Saying you can beat someone is pretty specific.

    If I told you two things:

    1. love your sl…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    “and yes you right God in his laws ad covered the slavery but not the abuse on slavery in Israel ,the abuses were ban in Israel by law”–terr

    The abuses against fellow Hebrews were banned in Israel.  The indentured servitude.  They were not to treat their brothers cruelly.  Yes.  But the actual real slaves, the ones they took captive, the non…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    Hi

    twice you said these bad things are what happens without god.  But this is my point.  God wasn’t absent.  God made rules for slavery.  How you couldn’t beat them too severely for example.  These things weren’t happening without god.  He created rules for slavery apparently.

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    How do you define “abusing you fellow man”?   Would a beating be abusing them?  Would killing a tribe, including a woman’s family, her husband, and then taking her as a wife, against her will, be “abusing your fellow man”?  Today the world would define this as sex slavery but in the past, it was common, killing all the men, taking the virgins as…[Read more]

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    Men’s ideas change. God does not change.  If slavery is immoral he should have always known.  No hint in the bible that god dislikes slavery.   People in the past didn’t seem to have any moral qualms with slavery, including the Jews.  And there was no one to explain to them that it was immoral.

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    So if that is morality, treating your fellow humans as you want to be treated, if you applied that morality in the past, slavery is and was immoral.  No one wants to be beaten or owned.

  • david replied to the topic Is slavery wrong? in the forum Faith 5 months, 1 week ago

    I’m really only interested in slavery and the morality of it.   If you are not interested, that’s okay.

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