• Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    You can explain it away all you want, but the words written are the words written and you cannot change them. Luke claimed the lineage to Jesus came thru David’s son Nathan and not thru David’s son Solomon. That alone throws Luke’s account into the trash because Heli is a descendant of Nathan AND it was God who told David HE was estab…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    You: “when there were no sons to preserve the inheritance, the husband (son-in-law) would become the son upon marriage to keep up the family name.”

    Me: I haven’t found this verse that says when marrying the daughter of a son less man the man being married becomes the “son” of that man. The only thing I found was when a man only has…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    You: DT, that pure CHERRY PICKING, also, what about CONTEXT?

    Me: That is a statement of pure desperation! You are utterly clueless on how to respond.

    Are you saying the Jewish people don’t associate their tribal lineage to their paternal side? What does verse 2 say, a child could comprehend it. How many women are listed in Jesus’ lin…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    You: THE ABOVE IS IRRELEVANT, AS JESUS WAS NOT OF JECONIAH, JOSEPH WAS, AND JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF JOSEPH AT ALL. BUT THE SON OF MARY OF NATHAN!

    ANOTHER OF DAVID’S LINEAGE.

    Me: Thank you for putting this at the top; I don’t have to read any further, because the rest of what you will say will be foolishness.

    What part of Numbers 1:2 e…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    Me: I’ve already said all I can; all you have given me are man’s opinions and reasonings for why Jechoniah is listed.

    You: ISN’T THAT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR?

    Me: Ahhh, NO! I asked for where Jechoniah asked for forgiveness and his lineage was restored to David’s throne and listed as a descendant of Jesus. Even if we were to write this of…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    You: Isn’t that what you’re doing in Paul’s case, ” I ROBBED OTHER CHURCHES…..”

    Me: Funny, I am being condemned for “not reading” all of what Paul says and not putting his words into “context”; yet, this is the same thing that is being done with the Tanakh to support/prove the christian theology. Pick a verse here and there claiming it…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    You posted from Jews for Jesus (sigh):

    “The necessity for this exception to the rule became apparent when Isaiah 7:14 prophesied that the Messiah would be born of a virgin:

    “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call his name Immanuel.”

    Couple issues with thi…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    I have been to Mechon Mamre, but they use the JPS translation and am not really a fan of it as it reads very similar to the KJV. The positive with the JPS is they haven’t changed the tenses of verbs to make them appear to be referring to the future. Additionally, because I don’t know Hebrew, the site became pointless; so I found ano…[Read more]

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    Hi DT,

    You: @Carmel,

    Why would I go with an Aramaic translation when we have access to the Hebrew? You found an interesting translation;

    how long did it take for you to find that butchering of God’s word?

    ME: for the sake of the truth:

    ALL MY LIFE:

    FROM MY SIDE THAT’S WHAT YOU ARE DOING AS WELL!!! NO???

     

    HERE IS WHAT YOU ASKED F…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    Why would I go with an Aramaic translation when we have access to the Hebrew? You found an interesting translation; how long did it take for you to find that butchering of God’s word?

    KJV “Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    Consulting the Talmud!?!? That’s not a path I would dare venture down at this point in my studies; I’m wanting to make sure I understand what God said first before trying understand the meanings behind what a bunch of sages debated.

    You quoted from Sanhedrin 37b – 38a “Rabbi Yoḥanan says: Exile atones for all transgressions and rende…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    Nothing in what you wrote supported why Jechoniah should be in the lineage of Jesus, especially when God pulled the kingship authority from him and said he was to be remembered as childless (no matter how many kids he has while imprisoned). This would mean anyone born after him would not have rights to the throne of Judah; AND if his…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    Nothing in what you wrote supported why Jechoniah should be in the lineage of Jesus, especially when God pulled the kingship authority from him and his descendants and said he was to be remembered as childless (no matter how many kids he has while imprisoned). This would mean anyone born after him would not have rights to the throne of…[Read more]

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    @Carmel,

    The mental gymnastics performed to keep the lineage of Jesus from falling apart is amazing. Except Zerubbabel didn’t sit on David’s throne, he was the governor of Judah. Next!

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    @Carmel,

    You: WHEN WILL YOU GET IT INTO YOUR MIND, THAT THE OT. IS OBSOLETE?

    Me: Never!! God says his law is forever.

    If the OT is obsolete, why do you continually reference it; it makes no sense. If it’s obsolete, why are you quoting Jer 31 in this diatribe of nonsense you are spewing? You quote starting in verse 31 and still have no idea w…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    How do you come up with this stuff?!? Either the words written mean exactly what they say or they don’t; if they don’t what they say, then everything in the bible must be thought of as an interpretive literary work that can mean anything the reader wishes. I say the first option because my God wasn’t maliciously hiding anything or try…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    You: THAT YOU ARE A STUPID PERSON WITH EVERY RESPECT!

    Me: Be thankful there are rules on this website and I respect my fellow man, whether we agree or not, to not drop to worse than childish levels because we disagree. In nothing you wrote did you substantiate your position; all you did was, as Paul, twist God’s words to mean what you w…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    The book of Hebrews is so corrupt it must be removed; anyone who uses it continues to push its corruption.

    Every letter Paul wrote is a lie, he admits to robbing the early church, twists God’s words to make them his own, hates the Jewish people, whined about all of Asia rejecting him (doesn’t Jesus say to Ephesus they did well in…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of carmel

    Hi DT,

    You: @Carmel,

    GOD WAS ALONE BEFORE CREATION

    you know this how? What about the angels?

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 

    MAN WAS ALONE IN HIS CREATION

    was he, wasn’t God there too?

    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man be…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of DesireTruth

    @Carmel,

    GOD WAS ALONE BEFORE CREATION — you know this how? What about the angels?

    MAN WAS ALONE IN HIS CREATION — was he, wasn’t God there too?

    GOD MADE A HELPER FOR THE MAN LIKE HIMSELF — because HE said it wasn’t good for man to be by himself, without a compatible mate.

    ANOTHER HUMAN BEING THE WOMAN — would be a mouse…

    OUT OF THE MAN…[Read more]

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