• Jodi

    you quoted a verse:

    Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    “unto a perfect man” refers to the “we” and perfect means “mature,” not flawless.

    Ephesians 4:13

    13until we all attain to the unity of the…[Read more]

  • Jodi,

    I believe that Jesus was saying that He existed before Abraham existed and I would not be among the Pharisees throwing stones, I understand that He is claiming to be the actual, same in essence, Son of God who pre-existed Abraham. The Pharisees did not understand THAT. You don’t understand that.

    Of course the true and only begotten Son of…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 day, 21 hours ago

    Mike,

    you said:

    The moon is setting on the earth. In what scenario could the sun be lighting the bottom, while the earth that the moon is setting on is shadowing the top? How can the earth that is eclipsing the top not also eclipse the bottom? How can the sun that is lighting the bottom not also be lighting the top?

    It’s like the sun must be s…

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  • Hi Anthony,

    Keep the faith!

    John 1:18

    No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

    John 1:1c

    …the Word was God (the Son, the only begotten God).

    John 1:14a

    And the Word became flesh…

    1 Timothy 3:16

    …God (the Son, the only begotten God) was manifest in the flesh…[Read more]

  • You change scripture to suit you, Nick, is that what we are to do?

    1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

    God was manifest in the flesh,

    justified in the Spirit,

    seen of angels,

    preached unto the Gentiles,

    believed on in the world,

    received up into glory.

    Who was justified in Spirit, who was seen of…[Read more]

  • The Great Shepherd became the unblemished Lamb. The originator of creation also became the Savior of creation.

    1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

  • Hi Jodi,

    Once again, none of those verses disprove the pre-existence of the Son as the eternal offspring part of God.

  • Lightenup replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 week, 1 day ago

    Mike,

    you said:

    And you can search 1-31-18 eclipse from Phoenix, and you’ll find local news sites that have collections of photos sent in by local Phoenix residents, and some of them are top-down, while others are side-to-side.

    Could you send me the link to the local news sites. I couldn’t find them. Thanks!

     

  • There was only one Spirit within the developing flesh, Nick, the pre-existent Son.

  • Lightenup replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 week, 1 day ago

    Hi Dig4truth,

    you wrote:

    I asked James why the moon was only half lit up when the sun was so high in the sky being 10:00 AM. He didn’t have a clue and to be honest I didn’t either.

    The answer: The moon phase for July 6 is the half moon phase, that is why it is half lit even during the day. It is on its way to the new moon phase coming up on Jul…[Read more]

  • No Nick, not a gamete. The Son in spirit form was brought forth into Mary’s womb where He united with the flesh of a developing human being when Mary conceived.

  • Lightenup replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 week, 1 day ago

    Mike,

    your post from this comment:

    Okay Kathi, I see that you are stumped. I’ll make one more attempt, using Google World and the timeanddate.com diagram. First up is Google World, with Phoenix centered in the middle and the sun and moon added in…

    That post and diagrams AND presumptions are not making any sense. Don’t you have a globe on a sta…[Read more]

  • Nick,

    you said:

    Mary is his mother as he was conceived of her just as any other man begins life by conception and none preexist.

    Not quite correct, Nick. Mary is Jesus’s mother according to His flesh only because the Holy Spirit supernaturally BROUGHT HIM FORTH into her ovum. Mary did conceive, that is correct but not by the normal means at all.…[Read more]

  • Gene,

    You certainly do not have the faith to believe in the true and only begotten Son of God and that is clear by nearly every post you make on this topic. Open your heart and ask God to show you.

    Muslims understand what it means when they are told that Jesus is the Son of God. They think that is impossible. They also lack faith but you can bet…[Read more]

  • No Nick, not close.

  • Lightenup replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 week, 1 day ago

    Mike,

    you said in response to this diagram:

    Don’t we have the same second ball dropping down (or from right to left if we imagine we are looking down from on top of the diagram like in mine)?  Isn’t the concept identical to what I drew?  For example, could the bright and dark parts on his #2 be reversed?  Of course not.  Could the bright…

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  • Jodi,

    You are precious, you spend so much time trying to help! Thank you. However, none of your arguments disprove that the Son was not always a part of the one true God, Jehovah, the part that is the offspring part, who willingly became flesh and dwelt among us and lived a sinless life and died a prophetic death to pay that which He did not owe…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 week, 6 days ago

    Mike,

    If you are the X man in your diagram, then you are in Greenland or maybe Russia. Phoenix is more like at the 10:00 position (think clock), not 12:00 as you have it pictured. The moon is not above you, even if you were at 12:00. Your moon is also not in the correct position. It is on the other side of the earth than the sun. The only place…[Read more]

  • Ya’ll get that the geneology in Matthew is for a different person than the geneology of Luke, right? David had several sons. Solomon is in the Matthew geneology, Nathan is in the Luke geneology. The two geneologies are not for the same person.

    Matt 1:6

    Eli was the father of Mary and the father-in-law to Joseph. Both Mary and her husband Joseph…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic Flat Earth? in the forum View Points 1 week, 6 days ago

    Mike,

    I think this site will greatly help you understand why there are the three types of shadows, penumbra, umbra, and ante-umbra.

    https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/shadows.html
    Umbra, Penumbra, and Antumbra: Why Are There 3 Shadows?

    On their journey through space, the Earth and the Moon cast 3 different shadows causing different types of…[Read more]

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