• 3. For the Creator of the world is truly the Word of God: and this is our Lord, who in the last times was made man, existing in this world, and who in an invisible manner contains all things created, and is inherent in the entire creation, since the Word of God governs and arranges all
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    things; and therefore He came to His own in a visible4612…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 5 months, 1 week ago

    @t8

    you said:

    The logos is an attribute of God and like all attributes, they are part of God and always have been and always will be. He changes not.

    My response:

    So, within your last few posts you have said that the logos is a part of God and has always been a part of God and has always been in unity with God. Is that correct? Please answer…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 5 months, 1 week ago

    @t8

    you said:

    The Word was with God. When you are with God, that generally means you are for him, in unity with him, agree with him, but it never means you are him.

    T8, please answer this question:

    Do you believe that God ALWAYS had His Word or was there a time when the Word was not?

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 6 months ago

    t8, you asked:

    Scripture and verse please.

    I already told you that you will find that the Word was the eternal life that was with the Father from the beginning in 1 John 1:1-3.

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 6 months ago

    t8 you said:

    This notion of yours suggests two Gods side by side and in unity. Two sources because they both existed together with them not ever not existing together. But for us, there is one God the Father. That is what we/us fundamentally believe. Your religion on who the one true God is different to what we believe. You have a different gospel…

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  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 6 months ago

    t8, you said: From the first fire another was produced.

    This is not taught in the Bible and I don’t think that church father teaches this either. I don’t think you understand what they are saying about this. You have missed the meaning if you think that the Word was a first work. The begetting of the word was the first work. The Word already was…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic The Unity of God in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 months ago

    And here is part 2 of the series…

  • This past fall I became involved in an ESL (English as a second language) ministry with my church. I have refugees from Sudan, Iraq, Peru, Panama, New Delhi, and Columbia in my class. I have grown very fond of them. A young mother of one of the families from Iraq told me that her uncle and two cousins were shot and killed by ISIS. The Uncle was…[Read more]

  • This past fall I became involved in an ESL (English as a second language) ministry with my church. I have refugees from Sudan, Iraq, Peru, Panama, New Delhi, and Columbia in my class. I have grown very fond of them. A young mother of one of the families from Iraq told me that her uncle and two cousins were shot and killed by ISIS. The Uncle was…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic The Unity of God in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 months ago

    Poor t8, 20 years of searching and he still does not see that apart from the work AND unity of Father with His Son and Spirit, there is no eternal life offered to anyone nor would there be a book of John to quote from. He even posts this verse as if it proves there is no unity of God but right there before our eyes it says that we need to know the…[Read more]

  • This Pastor gets it…watch the series.

  • @jael

    you asked:

    The question is (not exclusively), ‘If Jesus is (some kind of) GOD (Define your version of ‘God’… !)  why is he GIVEN a RULERSHIP that is LESS THAN that which ‘HIS’ already?

    First off…YHVH GOD = God of gods + Lord of lords

    Secondly…Jesus emptied Himself to become a bondservant in the flesh, which would seem natural to m…[Read more]

  • @jael

    you asked:

    The question is (not exclusively), ‘If Jesus is (some kind of) GOD (Define your version of ‘God’… !)  why is he GIVEN a RULERSHIP that is LESS THAN that which ‘HIS’ already?

    First off…GOD = God of gods + Lord of lords

    Secondly…Jesus emptied Himself to become a bondservant in the flesh, which would seem natural to mean, in…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 6 months, 2 weeks ago

    @t8

    You seem to believe that attributes, when begotten of God become living entites who are referred to as sons of God. You seem to believe that the difference between Jesus and all the other sons of God is that he was the first to be begotten before all the other sons. You seem to say that it was the act of ‘begetting’ that made him a son. Is…[Read more]

  • Lightenup replied to the topic T8 vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 6 months, 2 weeks ago

    @t8

    You seem to believe that attributes, when begotten of God become living entites who are referred to as sons of God. You seem to believe that the difference between Jesus and all the other sons of God is that he was the first to be begotten before all the other sons. You seem to say that it was the act of ‘begetting’ that made him a son. Is…[Read more]

  • @t8

    you said ( I added the letters a,b,c):

    a.No mention of the fullness of God here and my words that you say are wrong are spot on with your above quote and many others. That was just the first one I came across without wasting too much time.

    b.But let’s say that you meant to say (all along) that you are not talking about God having members, b…

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  • @jael

    you asked:
    LU, where do you see anything from me about a mistake concerning Proverbs.

    It was when you gave the ESV as the translation that you quoted from for Proverbs 8:22 but you misquoted which gave it a whole different meaning.

    You also asked:

    LU, Jesus is a man, born holy and sinless by means of the overshadowing of a virgin (Mary) by…

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  • @t8

    Nice try but you still aren’t grasping what I’m trying to tell you.

    I think this is what you think I am telling you:

    God = 1 Father + 1 Son

    However, this is what I am saying:

    The fullness of God = 1 Father + 1 Son, in unity, as God (Father) and Lord (Son). Their Holy Spirit is the unity of their personal spirits that extends from them…[Read more]

  • @jael

    Well, is that your way of admitting that you were indeed wrong with your quote of Proverbs 8:22? You simply dismiss it and not admit it. Also, learn about Hebrew words and their genders regarding terms like life and soul for instance.

  • @jael

    Well, is that your way of admitting that you were indeed wrong with your quote of Proverbs 8:22? You simply dismiss it and not admit it. Also, learn about Hebrew words and their genders. This should be eye opening for you if you care to see:…[Read more]

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