• Jodi replied to the topic Is Hell eternal? in the forum Truth or Tradition 1 month, 3 weeks ago

    Our God is a consuming fire!

    Zechariah 13:8 “It will come about in all the land”, declares the Lord, “that two parts in it will be cut off and perish; But the third will be left in it. “And I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined, and test them as gold is tested. They will call on My name, and I will answer…[Read more]

  • In Genesis God tells us two times that the imagination of man is wicked, even from youth.

    Scripture tells us that our imagination creates lies.

    God also warns Cain that sin lies at the door and it creates a desire that will RULE over him.

    1 John 3 warns not to go in the way of Cain who belonged to the evil one.

    Jesus says “you are of your…[Read more]

  • Hi Jael,

    None of my views were changed they were made more confident as being true.  I never misunderstood ever what the strange flesh meant, I knew exactly what it meant and it is the same as you. I was asking questions for others, particularly t8, to explain what HE THOUGHT it meant. I’m sorry for the confusion my posts brought. When I was as…[Read more]

  • Tradition teaches that the serpent in the Garden of Eden is a fallen angels. I believe however that the truth is entirely different! There is much repetitiveness in my argument, this is done on purpose in hopes that what the scriptures are truly saying will sink in.

    Scripture calls men serpents equating that to mean a liar or one who is…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    Many, many people believe the conclusions this dude makes and are under the impression that his stance is scripturally sound. Some of his points are of the majority of what Christians believe, while yes other claims are pointless, “weird and wack”.  I would have to disagree with your point, we are to test all things. Yes we need to be…[Read more]

  • Hey Jael,

    I’m not overly interested in anything. It seems more ridiculous that you cannot comprehend that I am simply trying to see what t8 agrees with specifically in the video. It seems you have also failed to acknowledge the fact that I have said in my arguments that the wicked men according to scripture recognized the angels ONLY as men. That…[Read more]

  • I was going to edit my last post, for some reason it’s not letting me.

    t8 do you think that the men pounding on Lot’s door thought the angels were actually angels or did they think they were men?

  • t8,

    The dude in the video said that the strange flesh in Jude represented angels and he gave the example of the angels that came to Lot as proof, saying the men wanted to have sex with the angels behind Lot’s door.

    Do you believe that the strange flesh in Jude is a reference to angels or was it more likely animals and beastiality?

    Do you…[Read more]

  • Hey t8, I broke down what the dude said in the video, and I think that is where fallen angels came in as relating to the angels that Lot encountered. Think through what the guy is saying. He says the strange FLESH in Jude must be men lusting after the angels that came to Lot. Are these angels really so stupid that they would pound on Lots door…[Read more]

  • To further clarify the dude in his youtube video thinks that the wicked men wanted to have sex with angels. I first argued that they didn’t even know they were actually angels, at least not until they were cursed by them. Yes I believe these were obviously Holy messengers of God. In the text the wicked men refer to them and inquire to Lot about…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    You are not following me at all!! First let me say that I do not believe in fallen angels period. Second I am quite aware of who God’s non human messengers are, they are holy, righteous and they FOLLOW the commands and will of God.
    What I have been trying to show is that the dude, not “dudes” there is only one guy presenting in the video,…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    You are not following me at all!! First let me say that I do not believe in fallen angels period. Second I am quite aware of who God’s non human messengers are, they are holy, righteous and they FOLLOW the commands and will of God.
    What I have been trying to show is that the dude, not “dudes” there is only one guy presenting in the video,…[Read more]

  • HI t8,

    Interesting what you said about messengers. My understanding is that when you die you sleep the sleep of death. As scripture says the dead know nothing, nor can they praise the Lord. Moses and Elijah seemed to have been awakened at times to deliver an important message though.

    Since I have been in the 3rd grade I have waited anxiously for…[Read more]

  • Sorry you have misunderstood me. I said that the dude in the video said that the wicked men wanted to have sex with angels. My argument was that they didn’t even know that they were angels, they saw them merely as men, only Lot recognized them for what they were. The point I was trying to make was even if they did in fact think they were angels,…[Read more]

  • Well it is good I think to see what the other side puts forth as evidence to support their belief, it usually draws me to learn more.

    I was thinking a little further on a few of this dude’s claims. He had said the wicked men had wanted to have sexual relations with the angels and I argued that in the scripture it appears that only Lot identified…[Read more]

  • Hi t8,

    I’m just going to go through my notes from watching the video.

    The dude brings up Jude 1 and identifies that the strange flesh couldn’t mean homosexuality as strange means other or another, he then uses that to say they had to be angels. What he forgets or just doesn’t know is that there are 4 verses in the bible that forbids beastiality.…[Read more]

  • Hi t8,

    Yah I apologize, that was a VERY idiotic question on my part and I am feeling quite dumb and like a jerk! I’m sorry.  What I should have simply said was that I don’t agree with the Sethite view that Seth’s descendants were all righteous and would have been considered Sons of God and all of Cain’ s descendants were evil. I will watch the…[Read more]

  • Hi t8,

    I’ve only watched the very beginning of the video and just from that I am confused by why you think it’s good?

    What we know is that Enoch and Noah followed God, who cares if they were descendants of Seth? What we know is Abraham followed God and Caanan followed idolatry, who cares they were both descendants of Noah?

    Yes a righteous…[Read more]

  • Hi AndrewAD,

    Yes some people like to define Sons of God in Genesis as fallen angels applying the book of Enoch for support. Just like people attributed knowledge, gift, and talents of man to these Greek gods, so too did the author of the Book of Enoch.  This is a point I made earlier, this very thought proves the book of Enoch is not inspired…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    You said, “scripture says those rebel angels MADE BODIES for themselves…this is CREATION…so they put their OWN SPRIT in those bodies.”

    What scripture or scriptures say this?

    Where is scripture that says Holy angels became demonic angels?

    I have not read any scriptures that says either of these!!

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