• As for what trins think about God of course it varies and it’s not right to throw everyone under the same bus.Most common people don’t think about it all that much and don’t pretend to be theologians,but many are truly devoted to what they believe.And there are different understandings of the trinity as there are on most all theological issues.But…[Read more]

  • As for what trins think about God of course it varies and it’s not right to throw everyone under the same bus.Most common people don’t think about it all that much and don’t pretend to be theologians,but many are truly devoted to what they believe.And there are different understandings of the trinity as there are on most all theological issues.But…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    Furthermore even if Jesus be an ethereal God man with no human lineage he could still be the messiah for some.In the time of Jesus their were various theories on it as there are today and I think it possible that even Jesus in Mark expresses the idea that Christ may not be from David when he says in   Mark 12:35 And Jesus answered and…[Read more]

  • Lu,thanks for the link and I did read it,but tbh it doesn’t help solve the problems.I’ve read many things and everybody has their ways of explaining everything away,Christans and Jews alike.I’ve even been on Jewish sites,non-Christian ones and asked them to explain some of their theories on Messiah that seem absurd to me and just hard to…[Read more]

  • Dear Jael,

    I observe from your statements such as “Mary did not PROCREATE Jesus – God CREATED him. Her genes were not in Jesus”that you remove Jesus from any human bloodline,and I take it you do this to adhere to your last Adam theory-that since Adam had no father or mother,then neither did Jesus. So do you consider this scriptural cohesion? W…[Read more]

  • No Jael I’m not confused but grant that you are by all the cultic teaching you’re currently under.I grant I was at one time confused and under cultic teachings also but T8 and others helped me to read the scriptures for myself. I don’t think you’re teaching me anything except to be more thankful that I’m no longer under an arrogant and ignorant…[Read more]

  • Jael,you can’t see how you plainly stated there was no biblical documentation that Ps 2 referred to the resurrection? and then you accuse LU of being disingenuous based on your own ignorance and blindness. You should come down off your imaginary high horse and apologize to LU.

  • Jael,

    Jewish ancestry is through paternal lineage and just who knew nothing of Jesus creation in the manner of the first man Adam? are you referring to the authors of Matthew and Luke? Is John’s genealogy more correct then, just Father and Son? You know if Jesus was virgin born he had no human paternal lineage anyway. And yes I know Adam means…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    You said to Lu, “Lu, can you also explain how you come to believe that psalm 2 is referring to the day Jesus was raised from the dead ….when there is no documentation in scripture regarding this!” Is this your way of trying to defy the truth?”

    So I show you there is documentation in scripture that plainly attests to this and you just ask h…[Read more]

  • Dear Jael,

    How do you not understand either of the scriptures I quoted to you? You respond to neither but only give even more far out theories.

    So by saying Jesus was created by God and not procreated through Mary,you remove him entirely from the Adamic race.So just as Adam wasn’t a son of man,neither was Jesus. If no part of even Mary’s genes…[Read more]

  • Yes parables are a form of teaching and it’s also taught why Jesus gave the parables in Mk4,Mtt 13,Lk 8. They were for the disciples to understand and the outsiders to not understand to fulfill prophecy. Do you believe and accept this as inspired?

  • Jael,

    The term Son of Man in the gospels is not referring to just being a human,it’s referring to the eschatological figure in Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.14 And there was given him dominion, and…[Read more]

  • Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten the

    Romans 1:1Paul,a servant of Jesus Christ,called to be an…[Read more]

  • I do think Paul thought of Jesus as an angel/spirit in his preexistence-in the form of God.And I understand how the angel of the Lord appearances in the OT can be thought of as Christ.I’ve even said this on this forum before.But to say Jesus was the Jehovah that appeared on Sinai and gave the Law I don’t see the NT teaching. Do you think it really…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    I understand some of the verses from John may be taken as spiritual vision or seeing,but how would you define that? is it just spiritual understanding? is it a mental vision? is it just knowledge of God and faith?

    In Jn 6:46 where it says “not that any man hath seen the Father save he which is of God,he has seen the Father” this is clearly…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    I understand some of the verses from John may be taken as spiritual vision or seeing,but how would you define that? is it just spiritual understanding? is it a mental vision? is it just knowledge of God and faith?

    In Jn 6:46 where it says “not that any man hath seen the Father save he which is of God,he has seen the Father” this is clearly…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    Yes the question of the Jews with “you are not yet fifty years old and have you seen Abraham?”does seem an odd response,but I think it leads to the desired answer of the author. In my copy of the ESV it says in the footnote on vs57- some manuscripts has Abraham seen you? This would be a more natural response to what Jesus said and if Jesus…[Read more]

  • Jael,

    Andrew, Jesus NEVER says he has seen  ‘God’… Where do you get that from?  In the context of Jn8 in vs38 Jesus says” I speak that which I have seen with my Father;and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.” and in vs 23 he tells them ” Ye are from beneath;I am from above;ye are of this world;I am not of this world.” And in Jn 6:46…[Read more]

  • Jael,the Jews response of “you are not yet fifty years old” shows they were clueless of what he meant So instead of giving them a reference from the Torah about Abraham he gives them his own word-“before Abraham was I am”.-but perhaps that is an OT reference about God.? Remember Jesus tells them in vs37 that he knows they are Abrahams…[Read more]

  • Jael,the Jews response of “you are not yet fifty years old” shows they were clueless of what he meant So instead of giving them a reference from the Torah about Abraham he gives them his own word-“before Abraham was I am”.-but perhaps that is an OT reference about God.? Remember Jesus tells them in vs37 that he knows they are Abrahams…[Read more]

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