Is Jesus the Logos?

The Word of God

We know that God created all things through his Word.

John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was with God in the beginning.  Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

1 John 1:1-3
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

However, it is also written that God made all things through his son.

Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Colossians 1:15-17
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the Creator of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live.

There seems to be a direct link with the Word and the Son in the above verses as both are said to be the agent by which God created all things. Or did God make all things through his Word as well as the Son? If there was a time when there was only God and his Word as we read in John 1:1-3, then know that Jesus is not only described in similar terms as that Word but that he is actually called the Word of God too.

Revelation 19:13
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

It seems that with God making all things through his Word, through his Son, and even through Wisdom, this either means that these are all different agents, thus God invoked a number of things to create the Universe, or they are one and the same, i.e., the Word is Jesus Christ before he was called Jesus. Christ.

We are told that the Word became flesh and that is an obvious reference in a book devoted to Jesus Christ in a passage of scripture about the origins of Jesus Christ. So this either means that Jesus was newly created from the Word as some teach or that he is the Word but took on another form, that of flesh when he came to earth. The latter seems the more likely explanation given that God created all things through the Son and the Word and that Jesus Christ is even called the ‘Word of God’.

Even if there were no direct references for Jesus being the Word of God, there would still be a whole raft of other verses to contend with. These verses speak of Jesus existence before he came as a man (outside of mentioning the Word).

  • “Before Abraham, I am”, – John 8:58
  • “to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.” – Jude 1:25,
  • He is before all things, and in him all things hold together –  Colossians 1:17.
  • etc.

Finally, we are told to not trust in the flesh, so if Jesus is only flesh, then should we trust him? After all we are explicitly taught that we are cursed if we trust in man. When we trust Jesus, are we trusting in man or the Word of God?

Jeremiah 17:5
This is what the LORD says: “Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who draws strength from mere flesh and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

For more on this subject try this writing:
Did Jesus pre-exist before his birth on earth

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    Profile photo of terraricca terraricca 
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    Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he created them.

    who is the own IMAGE OF GOD ? the WORD /Jesus

    so God says ;”in the image of God he created himso Adam was created in HIS OWN IMAGE WHO IS CHRIST /the WORD

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Good point. We know that the head of the man is Christ.

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    Profile photo of terraricca terraricca 
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    from the WORD to Jesus the Christ and back to the WORD of God

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Yes, it seems to be that.

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    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    Hi T8,

    I don’t care what you or anyone else believes – as far as me trying to change your mind goes.
    With that being said, if you are looking at the evidence, then why not consider all the evidence?

    You do know that there is NOT ONE PLACE in Scripture where Jesus is said
    to be “The Word” – to come to that conclusion you have to do both A and B:

    A. Read that into the text (because there is nowhere where this idea is explicitly expressed)
    – and –
    B. Disregard points labeled #1 and #2 (which serve as counter evidence against your claim)

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    Points labeled #1 and #2

    …..”then “The Word” of the LORD came to me, saying”

    What this text REALLY MEANS is:
    then “Jesus Christ” came to the prophet Jeremiah, and spoke
    – T8 .(yes?)

    Please excuse me for putting words in your mouth, so let’s instead
    break the claim down by looking at the evidence. If what you are saying is
    true and correct, then we must conclued the following points labeled #1 and #2

    1. Jesus Christ came to Jeremiah the prophet
    – and –
    2. Jesus Christ spoke to Jeremiah the prophet

    Now if you don’t believe (points labeled #1 and #2) are true and correct,
    would Jer.18:5 not serve as counter evidence against your claim? If not, why not?

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    Consider instead that God’s HolySpirit is “The Word”
    (and you will not find any counter evidence)

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    God bless
    Ed J

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    Profile photo of terraricca terraricca 
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    Ed

    Yes in this cases that is what it means, for Jesus was the Word of God carrier, he said this as well when he was on earth ,

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    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    1. Jesus Christ came to Jeremiah the prophet
    – and –
    2. Jesus Christ spoke to Jeremiah the prophet

    Hi Pierre,

    “then “The Word” of the LORD came to me, saying” (Jer.18:5)

    If you believe points labeled #1 and #2,
    then the following words apply to you…

    What the quoted words of Jeremiah 18:5 REALLY MEAN is:
    then “Jesus Christ” came to the prophet Jeremiah, and spoke – Terraricca

    Do I have your view stated correctly?

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    Ed J.

    All truth is of God. Lies are of the Evil One.

    Jesus said he was the truth and we know that lots of people tell lies.

    The second century apostles believed that the Word that was with God came from God and did not lessen the Word that was in God. They did not rule out the Word in other contexts.

    Tatian (165 A.D)
    For just as from one torch many fires are lighted, but the light of the first torch is not lessened by the kindling of many torches, so the Word, coming forth from the Word-Power of the Father, has not divested of the Word-Power Him who begat Him.

    Clearly the above says that the Logos that was begotten in the beginning from God did not remove the logos that is in God.

    We are not forced to think of the Word as exclusively God or Jesus just as we do not think that about ‘truth’. Your thinking appears to have this constraint and thus you arrive at your conclusion based on that.

    Read all the scriptures in the first post. They are hard to ignore if you have truth in your heart. How do you explain them all away.

    God created all things through the son of God right? He also created all things through his Word.

    Reconcile that with your theology.

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    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    “then “The Word” of the LORD came to me, saying”
    .
    What this text REALLY MEANS is:
    then “Jesus Christ” came to the prophet Jeremiah, and spoke – T8 (yes?)
    .
    1. Jesus Christ came to Jeremiah the prophet
    – and –
    2. Jesus Christ spoke to Jeremiah the prophet

    Hi T8,

    Then it is correct for me to assume that you agree with points labeled #1 and #2 right?
    I ask again because I cannot reasonably ascertain an answer of “Yes” from your response.

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    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    Hi T8,

    1. The verses of: Heb.1:2, Col.1:15-17, and 1Cor.8:6 are not meant as
    a secret encoding suggesting Jesus was the first created being.
    To imply that is to misunderstand the bible’s message.

    2. It was through (as in because of) Jesus’ death
    on the cross that all things were created.
    Do you agree with my summation?

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Ed J, you are not coming across as clearly understating what I am saying judging by your second to last post.

    If Jesus said he was the truth, then does that mean that all truth including the truth in God is Jesus?

    Do you see the point now.

    Logos is not 100% exclusively Jesus Christ either.

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    God is the Father and from where did Jesus originally come if he came from God? Was it from God’s own attributes like truth, logos, wisdom, etc? Perhaps this is why he is names these things. He came from God and then he came here to our world. Now he is back in the glory that he had with the Father before the cosmos.

    When God gives us a new name that no one else knows, it is because he knows from whence we have been birthed.

    Do you believe that God created all things through the Son of God? I think your answer is no. You kinda believe that because of him all things were created. But all things were made for him and through him.

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    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    Hi T8,

    1. It is clear that Jesus’ death on the cross was planned at least by Genesis 1:15, if not before.

    2. And Rev.13:8 suggests Jesus’ death on the cross was planned even before the creation of the world.

    3. Therefore it is safe to conclude: it is through Jesus’ death on the cross that all things were created by God.

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    Sorry if you disagree
    Ed J

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    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    Hi T8,

    I understand your reluctance to see Jeremiah 18:5 as counter evidence against your claim, I’ve
    seen this pattern before. I will draw a comparative example for you, so you can see my point.
    The JW’s will claim that Jesus is Michael the Archangel and then use a verse like 1Thess.4:16.

    “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
    and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” (1Thess.4:16)

    Jesus is there with the voice of the archangel, therefore Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
    But when Hebrews 1:5 and Hebrews 2:5 are shown to them, they reject it as any counter evidence.

    There is more counter evidence against your claim, do you want to see it?

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    God bless
    Ed J

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    Therefore it is safe to conclude: it is through Jesus’ death on the cross that all things were created by God.

    Where is the word ‘death’ mentioned in relation to why God created all things through the son.

    And spell out to me exactly how the process works?

    So he dies for humanity, then God decides to create all things?
    Or before anything was created God decided Jesus would die on a cross and because of that thought he decided to create all things billions of eons ago, and two thousand years ago, Jesus died on that cross that he thought about.

    I cannot see any of these options as being taught in scripture, but you have to hold to one of these or something similar right?

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