I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people (Page 4)

“It is time to officially recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel”

Zechariah 12:3
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

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  • #820629
     miia 
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    No. The physical locations are not important anymore. Jerusalem, London, He will return on the clouds AND EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM in flaming glory. That will be the end of everthing physical. That is how you will know  (those who do have ears to hear).

    If they say he is here or there, do NOT BELIEVE THEM!

    #820630
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    23“Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. 24For false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and perform great signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God’s chosen ones. 25See, I have warned you about this ahead of time.

    26“So if someone tells you, ‘Look, the Messiah is out in the desert,’ don’t bother to go and look. Or, ‘Look, he is hiding here,’ don’t believe it! 27For as the lightning flashes in the east and shines to the west, so it will be when the Son of Mane comes. 28Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near.f

    29“Immediately after the anguish of those days,

    the sun will be darkened,

    the moon will give no light,

    the stars will fall from the sky,

    and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.g

    30And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.h 31And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the worldi—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven. (Matthew chapter 24)

    #820631
     miia 
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    So as you (may) see above… he will not be physically anywhere here. He sends his angels to gather his chosen ones from the Earth, while He remains in the Clouds of Heaven with Power and great Glory…

    #820690
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    Here are three witnesses that say otherwise.

    For David said, “The LORD God of Israel has given rest to His people, and He dwells in Jerusalem forever.

    “I the LORD do not change.”

    Behold, a day is coming for the Lord, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

    The physical location of Israel and Jerusalem are important in Bible prophecy because they are mentioned right to the end. God also promised to gather the Jewish people from all corners of the world which has been happening for a while and still is. By this we know we live in an important season. And with eyes to see we can confirm that God keeps his promises and we can see God moving in this day.

    #820708
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    Hi t8,

    So.. the Old Testament according to you says OTHER than what Jesus Christ said?

    The verses you quoted:

    v 1) Yes, God has given rest to his people (God’s children today who follow Jesus Christ – see NT verses).

    v2) That is possibly fulfilled prophecy… The Lord Jesus Christ STOOD on the Mount of Olives (many times while on Earth). There was a great battle in Jerusalem. The city was taken the houses plundered and the woman raped (check history). The disciples were warned to flee to the mountains by Jesus Christ, which they did (Matthew 24:16).

    Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers
    (16) Then let them which be in Judea.–The words were acted on when the time came. Eusebius (Hist. Eccl. iii. 5) records that the Christians of Juda, acting “on a certain oracle,” fled, in A.D. 68, to Pella, a town on the northern boundary of Pera. So Josephus (Wars, iv. 9, 1; v. 10, 1) more generally relates that many of the more conspicuous citizens fled from the city, as men abandon a sinking ship. The “mountains” may be named generally as a place of refuge, or may point, as interpreted by the event, to the Gilead range of hills on the east of Jordan.

    Pulpit Commentary
    Verse 16. – Then; i.e. when they shall see “the abomination of desolation,” etc. Them which be in Judaea. Not only in Jerusalem, but in its vicinity, as most exposed to danger from the invading army. Flee into (ἐπὶ, over) the mountains. The Christians seem to have taken this advice when the city was attacked by Costius Gallus, about A.D. , some three or more years before the siege under Vespasian. Gallus had appeared before the walls, and apparently had every hope of taking the city, when, for some reason not certainly known (either owing to a supposed defeat, or ignorance of his own success, or the advice of his generals), he suddenly withdrew his forces (Josephus, ‘Bell. Jud.,’ 2:19, 6, 7). The Christians, bearing Christ’s warning in mind, and having, as we may conjecture, seen the predicted sign, took the opportunity of flight from the doomed city, and made their escape to Pella, a town of Decapotis, southeast of Bethshean, and the ruins of which are known now by the name of Fahil. Euschius probably refers to this migration (‘Hist. Eccl.,’ 3:5), narrating that, owing to a certain revelation given to holy men among them, the whole body of the Church, before the war, removed across the Jordan to Pella, and dwelt there in safety during those troublous times. We probably, however, do not know the exact time of the flight, as we are ignorant of what was the warning of imminent danger which rendered this hurried proceeding necessary.

    Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
    Then let them which be in Judea,…. When this signal is given, let it be taken notice of and observed; let them that are in the city of Jerusalem, depart out of it; or who are in any other parts of Judea, in any of the towns, or cities thereof; let them not betake themselves to Jerusalem, imagining they may be safe there, in so strong and fortified a place, but let them flee elsewhere; see Luke 21:21 and accordingly it is observed, that many did flee about this time; and it is remarked by several interpreters, and which Josephus (a) takes notice of with surprise, that Cestius Gallus having advanced with his army to Jerusalem, and besieged it, on a sudden, without any cause, raised the siege, and withdrew his army, when the city might have been easily taken; by which means a signal was made; and an opportunity given to the Christians, to make their escape: which they accordingly did, and went over Jordan, as Eusebius says (b), to a place called Pella; so that when Titus came a few mouths after, there was not a Christian in the city, but they had fled as they are here bidden to flee into the mountains; or any places of shelter and refuge: these are mentioned particularly, because they are usually such; and design either the mountains in Judea, or in the adjacent countries. The Syriac and Persic versions read in the singular number, “into the mountain”; and it is reported that many of them did fly, particularly to Mount Libanus (c).

    (a) De Bello Jud. l. 2. c. 19. sect. 7. (b) Eccl. Hist. l. 3. c. 5. p. 75. (c) Joseph. ib.

    #820709
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    The physical location of Israel and Jerusalem are important in Bible prophecy because they are mentioned right to the end

     

    After Jesus came, Israel and Jerusalem were clearly shown to have become inward and heavenly.

    #820710
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    God also promised to gather the Jewish people from all corners of the world which has been happening for a while and still is.

    If you study the early church writings… according to those, this event was prophesised to be later orchestrated by the antichrist, rather than God.

    #820713
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    By this we know we live in an important season.

    YES it VERY important… and as an aside, the love of many (the lukewarm) have grown cold, and the lukewarm who have grown cold are falling asleep. Anyone noticed?

    #820714
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    After Jesus came, Israel and Jerusalem were clearly shown to have become inward and heavenly.

    I wouldn’t say that. I would say that Jerusalem and Israel are the physical representations of the heavenly. Water represents spirit, but it doesn’t negate water. There is an earthly and heavenly, like the body. God still gives us advice about our bodies. At some point the physical won’t matter such as receiving the new body. Till then, there is still significance. Heavenly Jerusalem is not where our bodies dwell currently and there are prophecies about real places in the Bible that are yet to take place. I will keep my eyes open because God reveals the future for a reason. We are not in heaven yet. We are not in our heavenly bodies yet. We are here and God speaks much about the here and now.

    #820727
     miia 
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    We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one t8.

    #820946
     t8 
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    I already agree to disagree with your view based simply on the prophecies yet to come. For example, Armageddon is an actual place in Israel. The Hebrew ‘har mĕgiddōn’ means ‘hill of Megiddo’. We are also taught that Israel would become a nation again and that the Jews would move there from all over the world (where they were scattered). If we thought Israel had no significance, then the prophecies pertaining to Israel wouldn’t be significant. I do not believe that any prophecy is insignificant. If God spoke it to tell us or to warn us, then he did so for very good reasons. God gives us signs too. Many of them are related to Israel. Signs are also important.

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