June 22, 2005 at 8:35 am #7351
Matthew 14:33 And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly (A)God's Son!”
Nowhere in the new testemant does it say don't worship Jesus. Worship God, Worship Jesus. Jesus died on the cross to beat satan at his own game so that He could hold the keys to death and hades (REV1:18and the (A)living One; and I (B)was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have Âthe keys of death and of Hades.) He passes all the Glory onto the Father, but deserves our worship. He is our risen Lord.
SJune 22, 2005 at 8:43 am #7352
Neither does it say to worship Jesus. But it does say to worship God many times. Jesus was a magnificent pure vessel. God was in Jesus by His Spirit doing His works of righteousness. Jesus himself deserves and will receive all the glory and honour men can give him. And with him and in him with the help of the Spirit we should worship his Father as he told us to do.
Do you worship more than one deity? Do you have two Gods?June 22, 2005 at 8:52 am #7353
Greek word in the text is “proskuneo”. It is Strong's number 4352, proskuneo meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand. It is translated “worship” 60 out of 60 times in the KJV.
Only have 1 God, The Father and 1 Lord Jesus.
Don't understand why it is such a big deal since the old was speaking to those with only the current recolection of 1 Spirit God. Within the New Testemant there is 3 Personas which 2 of them need Worship. Thanking Christ or bowing to Him for His great overcoming of temptation and going to the cross for our sins. I believe deems worship to Him. If He doesn't want worship then I believe He would have stated so when He was speaking to the multitudes following Him. I don't believe that He would yell out fall down and worship me. I believe He deserves my worship for being the pure white lamb.June 22, 2005 at 9:07 am #7354
If trinity theory God is three equal persons you cannot possibly develop your own doctrine that says only two of them are worshipped surely? How equal is that? Jesus is not the God and he is separate from that God though totally united in will and purpose, so you are worshipping two deities if you worship them both.
Obedience to God is what is required. If he wanted us to worship Jesus Christ we would be doing it because we are told we should and not because we think it seems logical surely? It would be written to do so and we could prove our obedience by what is written. You say that is not written that we should not do so. That is not relevant to obeying God.
Actions taken outside of commands often run awry with the commander of the Army.June 22, 2005 at 9:13 am #7355
I don't believe in the trinity theory whatsoever. And I don't believe Jesus and God are equal as well as you don't. God is above Christ it says that over and over in the bible.
SJune 22, 2005 at 9:17 am #7356
You are in agreement with God Himself and His Son and the apostles. That is a true foundation for faith.June 22, 2005 at 9:17 am #7357
Quote (Guest @ April 27 2005,22:25) Great article here
This link may help. Frank4Yahweh also wrote a good one.June 22, 2005 at 9:24 am #7358
REV 5:6And I saw [a]between the throne (with the four living creatures) and (I)the elders a (J)Lamb standing, as if (K)slain, having seven (L)horns and (M)seven eyes, which are (N)the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth.
7And He came and took (O)the book out of the right hand of Him who (P)sat on the throne.
8When He had taken the book, the (Q)four living creatures and the Âtwenty-four elders (S)fell down before the (T)Lamb, each one holding a (U)harp and (V)golden bowls full of incense, which are the (W)prayers of the saints.
9And they sang a (X)new song, saying, “(Y)Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were (Z)slain, and (AA)purchased for God with Your blood men from (AB)every tribe and tongue and people and nation.
10″You have made them to be a (AC)kingdom and (AD)priests to our God; and they will (AE)reign upon the earth.”
Is that not worship?
11Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels (AF)around the throne and the (AG)living creatures and the (AH)elders; and the number of them was (AI)myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands,
12saying with a loud voice, “(AJ)Worthy is the (AK)Lamb that was (AL)slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13And (AM)every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who (AN)sits on the throne, and to the (AO)Lamb, (AP)be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”
14And the (AQ)four living creatures kept saying, “(AR)Amen ” And the (AS)elders (AT)fell down and worshiped.
It even ends that they worshiped and I would Assume from the posture of the note it means both the lamb and God.
SJune 22, 2005 at 9:27 am #7359
What does worship mean in scriptural terms?June 22, 2005 at 9:51 am #7361
Scriptual terms? Or what does Worship mean?
Worship According to Webster Or new American Heritage NOUN:
The reverent love and devotion accorded a deity, an idol, or a sacred object.
The ceremonies, prayers, or other religious forms by which this love is expressed.
Ardent devotion; adoration.
often Worship Chiefly British Used as a form of address for magistrates, mayors, and certain other dignitaries: Your Worship.
wor·shiped or wor·shipped , wor·ship·ing or wor·ship·ping , wor·ships
To honor and love as a deity.
To regard with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion. See Synonyms at revere 1.
To participate in religious rites of worship.
To perform an act of worship.
Scriptual Terms, I have no clue since I don't believe that it actually DEFINES worship accept through actions which there is millions of acts of worship, such as serving, which was done numerous by hundereds of people to Christ. I hope we all serve Christ. You can Sing, pray… as a matter of fact we are suppose to pray in the name of Jesus since He is the mediator between us and God. Either way worship is millions of acts, As long as we are doing it in Spirit and in Truth then we are performing worship. If we arn't then I would suppose it would be rejected.
SJune 22, 2005 at 7:28 pm #7367
John 4 defines true worship and true worshippers.June 22, 2005 at 7:33 pm #7368Anonymous
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Just a warning. Nick Hassan has been proven to be in error often on this forum. I advise you to be a berean, search the scriptures, and pray this one through.
BlessingsJune 22, 2005 at 7:37 pm #7369
Please tell us what you know on these matters as you clearly have superior knowledge we can learn from.June 22, 2005 at 11:20 pm #7376
20″(V)Our fathers worshiped in (W)this mountain, and you people say that (X)in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.”
21Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, (Y)an hour is coming when (Z)neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
22″(AA)You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for (AB)salvation is from the Jews.
23″But (AC)an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father (AD)in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
24″God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship (AE)in spirit and truth.”
that is the verse you are having me read. Still nowhere does it state to not worship Jesus, please only quote the NT on this matter not the OT, Since Christ was not a forebaring Spirit to control our fate in the OT.
SJune 22, 2005 at 11:21 pm #7377
Also please answer why in REV did it state the elders bowed and worshipped both God and the Lamb.
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