Worship

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  • #6569
     t8 
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    To Is 1:18,

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    He is taking a literal interpretation of a key escatological passage and comparing scripture with scripture to reach a logical conclusion.

    Take the logical conclusion into the following scriptures then:

    1 Corinthians 8:5-6
    5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),
    6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

    Ephesians 4:4-6
    4 there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called  
    5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
    6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

    John 17:3  
    Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    John 14:1
    “Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God, trust also in me.

    What answer do you have against such scriptures?

    Here is another 100, in case you think that these scriptures are just additions:

    http://www.heavennet.net/writings/trinity-11.htm

    You both (Is 1:18 & Rudy) have no scriptural proof to say that Yeshua is YHWH. That is what you imagine from what you have received from mere men. It it is not scriptural. There is one God who's name is YHWH. Not 3 or 2 or any other number but 1. This was the first commandment for a reason.

    If you teach against the commandments then what do you expect me to say. It is one thing to believe error, but quite another to teach it and defend it. You can only suffer rebuke if you teach lies.

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (Rudy @ April 24 2005,02:59)
    Let's worship Yahweh, by the way, He will be sitting in the Third Temple during the Millenium and His name is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, you guessed it:

    Zech 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    This verse speaks of the Lord Yeshua reigning and receiving worship during the millenium in the 3rd Temple, in this verse His name is Yahweh.


    Hi Rudy,
    Clearly you are unfamiliar with scripture.

    Scripture differentiates between God and Jesus right until the end of the last book. The Lamb of God is shown as separate from God even in the last chapter of the last book of the bible.

    Rev 22.1
    “..from the throne of God
    and of
    the Lamb”

    Rev 22.3
    ” ..but the Throne of God
    and of
    the Lamb”

    In your view it should only say the throne of God surely?

    You are altering scripture to say otherwise and risking the curse written in the same chapter.

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (Rudy @ April 24 2005,02:59)
    Let's worship Yahweh, by the way, He will be sitting in the Third Temple during the Millenium and His name is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, you guessed it:

    Zech 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD (Yahweh) of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    This verse speaks of the Lord Yeshua reigning and receiving worship during the millenium in the 3rd Temple, in this verse His name is Yahweh.


    Hi Rudy.
    Did the Jews worship the Father?
    If so where did they worship Him?
    Do you agree that they worshipped God in the temple in Jerusalem?
    Did God live there then?
    Scripture says He had His abode there among men does it not?
    Or did God live in heaven and manifest His Glory in the temple?
    When Jesus was on earth did he worship the Father?
    Was it in the Holy of Holies he went to worship the Father?
    Did he tell us to go to any location to worship God?
    We will sit on thrones.[Rev 20.4]Does that mean to you we will be worshipped?
    Zech 14 says the King,the Lord of hosts will be worshipped in Jerusalem. Does that prove God will have left heaven and be living there to be worshipped?
    Scripture says God will again have his abode among men in Rev 21. Is it any different then?
    Do we have to be in God's actual vicinity to worship Him? Does not scripture say we are the temple of the Holy Spirit ?

    #6726
     liljon 
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    Jesus is YHVH t8
    Zechariah 14:5 Romans 10, 1 cor 1:2 Rev 1:18 Isaiah 44:24 John 1:3

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (liljon @ April 27 2005,16:42)
    Jesus is YHVH t8
    Zechariah 14:5 Romans 10, 1 cor 1:2 Rev 1:18 Isaiah 44:24 John 1:3


    Why does the foghorn keep sounding when there is no fog?Perhaps it has come adrift and is floating away?
    Perhaps it is faulty and has no power connected?
    Certainly it's sensors are not working as they should.

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    Great article here

    #6739
     NickHassan 
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    excellent thank you.

    #6955
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Rom 1.18f
    ” For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because all that which is know about God is evident to them;for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made , so they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honour Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise , they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four footed animals and crawling creatures.
    Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed forever. Amen.
    For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged their natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
    And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness”

    Who is the Creator? God
    Whom should all men know through creation? God
    Whom should all men acknowledge and honor and thank? God
    Should men worship any other god? No.The bible never tells us to worship any being but God.
    Should men worship Jesus? No. He is the only begotten Son, the “Firstborn of all creation”
    Did he not create? No. All creation came through him.God is the builder and he is the carpenter.
    Is he not a God? Yes but he is not the Father creator and he has life in himself.
    What is the fruit of rejection of the truth? Deception. False wisdom and false confidence. Folly.
    What is the fruit of idolatry of created beings? Homosexuality and sexual indecency.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    God is God
    Worship God.
    It is simple.

    #7308
     NickHassan 
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    Hi kenosis,
    You may find interest here.

    #7336
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Jn 4.23
    ” But an hour is coming and now is, when the TRUE WORSHIPPERS will WORSHIP THE FATHER in spirit and truth;for just such people the Father seeks to be HIS WORSHIPPERS. God is spirit, and those WHO WORSHIP HIM must worship in spirit and truth”

    So true worshippers worship the Father. Seems simple.

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    The “true” worshippers:

    Revelation 5:

    5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. 14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

    Revelation 1:18 – I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    #7341
     NickHassan 
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    Hi FYI,
    Are you in Jesus? If you are how do you worship that of which you are a part?

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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2005,03:14)
    Hi FYI,
    Are you in Jesus? If you are how do you worship that of which you are a part?


    That's easy Nick:

    Ephesians 5:29 – For no man ever hates his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, as Christ does the church,

    #7347
     NickHassan 
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    Hi FYI,
    Of course Christ loves his church and is deeply loved in return but your point is?

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