Why You Should Believe In The Trinity – Response To JW Cult Teaching

This topic contains 23 replies, has 8 voices, and was last updated by  NickHassan 3 months, 1 week ago.

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     dL 
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    #800874
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    Yes the JWs are deceived.

    So should you follow catholicism?

     

    Out of the frying pan into the fire.

    #800877
     t8 
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    Nick is very human for some to take an extreme group to represent a view that one does not like. It is not an honest way to treat a subject, nevertheless, it is a common tactic. Many people in the world believe in one who is God including the Old Testament prophets and Jews. Even millennia before the JWs.

    DavidL can’t win using scripture with his view, so it comes down to playing politics to win or to try and tar us with a JW brush.

    Best thing we can do is pray that he would become free in the truth.

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     kerwin 
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    DavidL is just spamming us with these and then running off.  He is not using them to support a point and I have no interest in looking at Trinitarian nonsense that is meat for the zealous or those that find them entertaining.

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     tigger 
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    After 16 minutes of time-wasting book promotion and anti-JW blather in the video of the OP, I quit watching.  For those of you who have listened all the way through (or read all 140+ pages of Bowman’s book), here is my rebuttal to Bowman’s rebuttal as found in various of his anti-JW books.

    If you had the time and energy to listen (or read) all of Bowman’s stuff, surely you can force yourself to examine the following relatively short study I wrote about Bowman’s rant and posted on my blog:

    http://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.com/2010/01/bowqt.html

    And for those who are able to read my longer (but much shorter than Bowman’s book) study concerning more of Bowman’s charges:

    http://defendingthenwt.blogspot.com/2009/09/bownwt.html

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     Ed J 
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    Hi DavidL,

    In the video (time-line 0:45-1:03) quoting from John 8:24:
    “for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

    My question to you is: when Jesus said this in John 8:24, what exactly does Jesus mean?
    I say: if you don’t believe that Jesus is “he” (meaning “The Messiah”) you shall die in your sins.
    He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    Are you suggesting that Jesus is saying something else in John 8:24, other than he is “The Messiah”?

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    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #800902
     Ed J 
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    Hi DavidL,

    There was a member here named “jammin”, and he use to post words written by others.
    And when we looked into those words and were questioning him about them
    he would reply… …’why are you asking me I didn’t write it?’

    That is why I don’t bother to read ‘cut and paste’ jobs – copied from outside sources. (sorry UMB5 and Tigger)
    However, I will waste my time watching their propaganda videos that members post from outside sources. 🙂

    …so please don’t use as an excuse
    “the video doesn’t express my ideas”
    to avoid answering my questions, OK?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #800903
     Ed J 
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    Hi UMB5 and Tigger,

    When people are willing to participate not by using the reworded words
    of others (like the Watchtower Society) and actually take the time

    to paraphrase the ideas first received of others so that they match with
    their own ideas of truth …that is where communication begins.

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    God bless
    Ed J

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     tigger 
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    “There was a member here named “jammin”, and he use to post words written by others.
    And when we looked into those words and were questioning him about them
    he would reply… …’why are you asking me I didn’t write it?’

    “That is why I don’t bother to read ‘cut and paste’ jobs – copied from outside sources. (sorry UMB5 and Tigger)
    However, I will waste my time watching their propaganda videos that members post from outside sources. ”

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    But as I have already stated, the words found in the 2 links I have given above are mine!  I wrote them and I posted them from my own studies.

    Also I would like to know where the WT has “pushed off the Trinitarian doctrine to the 8th century” as I believe I heard somewhere in the first 16 minutes of the video.

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     Ed J 
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    But as I have already stated, the words found in the 2 links I have given above are mine! I wrote them and I posted them from my own studies.

    Hi Tigger,

    Then post them here in bite size pieces so that all here can take the time to respond to them, OK?

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    Ed J

    #800907
     Ed J 
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    Also I would like to know where the WT has “pushed off the Trinitarian doctrine to the 8th century” as I believe I heard somewhere in the first 16 minutes of the video.

    Hi Tigger,

    Huh?

    Can you please re-work the structure of the words here so I can understand what you mean ???

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    Ed J

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     kerwin 
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    To you all,

    He may very well not answer you as he seldom posts any more. He just throws these vipers down and leaves.

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     tigger 
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    Tigger: “But as I have already stated, the words found in the 2 links I have given above are mine! I wrote them and I posted them from my own studies.”

    EdJ: “Hi Tigger,

    “Then post them here in bite size pieces so that all here can take the time to respond to them, OK?”

    ………………………….

    Hi, Ed. I am nearing 80 years old, not in the best health, energy and memory levels falling, and find such effort often to be difficult (hence the links to my work).

    I have tried such an approach with my “Seven Lessons for John 1:1c.” Even when broken down into seven different posts and simplified from the original study, no one will truly investigate nor discuss what I have actually written in them.

    http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/seven-lessons-for-john-11c/

    http://forum.bible-discussion.com/showthread.php?26242-seven-lessons-for-understanding-the-translation-of-John-1-1c

    If I were assured that someone would actually discuss what I have written (instead of off-subject ‘evidence’ and red herrings), I would be happy to attempt to dredge up the energy to spell out any of my studies in dribbles and bits.

    But I fear my last years will be wasted without anyone actually discussing what I have written in any of my studies (especially my comprehensive study of John 1:1c).

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     tigger 
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    Tigger:  “Also I would like to know where the WT has ‘pushed off the Trinitarian doctrine to the 8th century’ as I believe I heard somewhere in the first 16 minutes of the video.”

    EdJ: “Hi Tigger,

    “Huh?

    “Can you please re-work the structure of the words here so I can understand what you mean ???”

    …………………………

    I am merely repeating what I believe I heard in the 16 minutes of the opening post’s video which I listened to. I don’t believe the WT Society has ever made such a statement! If they did, they are wrong!

    It is clearly known by any who investigate that the Roman Church (under the authority of the Roman Emperor) first officially established the doctrine that Jesus is equally God with the Father in 325 A.D. Furthermore, the doctrine that God is three equal persons was first officially established by the Roman Emperor (and the Roman Church) in The Council [of Constantinople] of 381. This is nowhere near the eighth century!

    ……………………..

     

    #800927
     Ed J 
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    Hi Tigger,

    Thank you clarifying the second part of your post for me.

    I’m not interested in your ‘a god’ interpretation of John 1:1, but
    I would be willing to discuss why “The Word” in John 1:1 is not Jesus.
    However, your view on “the trinity” would be something that interests me.

    Yes I have often felt that posting on forums may be a waste of valuable time.
    However, if even one person is helped I believe that my efforts are not in vain.

    I’m praying that JEHOVAH will bring someone into my life that will help me
    get started in doing you-tube videos. Then the “Proof of God” that I have
    discovered can brought to the public in a much more expeditious manor.

    I will be praying for your health, and will be
    looking forward to meeting you in the resurrection!

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    Your brother
    in Christ
    Ed J

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