Why challenge the Trinity Doctrine – The Trinity Doctrine

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Davidl,

    Yes the words of God are pure.

    But you offer the teachings of men.

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     dL 
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    Didn’t you ask…

    Do you not yet know the Father and the Son
    in the One Holy Spirit?

    “Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are Mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.” – John 16

    How can you, who believes in the Spirit, and claims to know the Father and the Son in the One Holy Spirit – deny the Unity of Father, Son and Spirit, which the Spirit Himself reveals..??

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     kerwin 
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    DavidL,

    How can you deny the unity of the Father, Son, Spirit, and believers?

    Is it inconvenient to include believers in the Unity as you have not been taught they also one with God and Jesus?

    Have you been taught to live by Spirit and so bear it fruit even as God and Jesus both bear its fruit?

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     kerwin 
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    DavidL,

    The reason to challenge the Trinity Doctrine is that it is a false teaching that creates an obstacle to those that seek the truth. It also serves to sooth the itching ears of those that love darkness and do not want to come into the light because they do not hunger and thirst for righteousness.

    There is nothing more to say on the issue.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    In the Holy Spirit of God men can know the Father and the Son.

    But if your god is Babylonian trinity it is impossible.

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     dL 
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    Kerwin

    The reason to challenge the Trinity Doctrine is that it is a false teaching that creates an obstacle to those that seek the truth

    The only obstacle is logic which causes you to deny the voice of the Spirit.

    Those who are born from above and rely on the Spirit see how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together as One..

    It is only those who divert back to trusting in their own understanding who stumble on the Trinity Doctrine..

    And invariably end up teaching their own cult concepts on the nature of Jesus Christ.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Davidl,

    The Spirit reminds us of the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    He never mentioned any babylonian trinity.

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     kerwin 
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    DavidL,

    The only obstacle is logic which causes you to deny the voice of the Spirit.

    This is evidence that you adhere to the traditions of men instead of the word of God as nowhere is it written in Scripture that using logic but instead God use logic himself because it is a form of reason and he challenges us to reason with him. Man can use reasoning based on the nature of this world or the can use reasoning based on the principles of God. God does not condemn reason because it is a form wisdom and wisdom was among the first of his works. He does condemn the wisdom of those that believe they are wise, but are not.

    The voice of the Spirit is wise and so uses wisdom and that is why Scripture cannot be broken. Jesus used logical reason to prove the OT testified of the resurrection of the dead. His first premise is the God is not the God of the dead and the second is that he was called the God of Abraham and Isaac even as the bodies of those two fathers and saints laid dead in their burial place. Because those two premises were true and Scripture cannot be broken it follows there is a resurrection of the dead testified in the OT. The logic he use is the fruit of the Spirit.

    Jesus is our example of all things; even using logical reasoning to interpret Scriptures.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    The Babylonian Trinity is a lie. In my study I have never come accost it. The Greeks had a Trinity of sorts in that Zeus ruled the Heavens, Poseidon ruled the Seas, and Hades ruled the Netherworld. The Romans religion was Grecian in form. Hindus are closer to the Trinity teaching and they were conquered by Alexander, at least in part.

    The evidence I have seen reveals an evolution of teachings that began at the truth then became a binity and last became a trinity. The binity sounds more like an a misunderstanding of Egyptian practices with the Pharaoh regarded as the Son of God because he has the Spirit of God in him. Most manuscripts come from Egypt.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Yes God uses reason to draw the greeks.

    But reason has not much use when it comes to spiritual matters

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    The servants of God use reason with Hebrews as well.

    1 Samuel 12:6-8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    6 And Samuel said unto the people, It is the Lord that advanced Moses and Aaron, and that brought your fathers up out of the land of Egypt. 7 Now therefore stand still, that I may reason with you before the Lord of all the righteous acts of the Lord, which he did to you and to your fathers. 8 When Jacob was come into Egypt, and your fathers cried unto the Lord, then the Lord sent Moses and Aaron, which brought forth your fathers out of Egypt, and made them dwell in this place.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Eph 4.17f

    So this i say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the gentiles do in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of god because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart..”

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    This may help you in your struggle with the idea of spiritual unity

    Eph 5 31

    For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh.

    This mystery is great ;but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church”

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Those Gentiles were filled with unbelief and so remained ignorant of the truth even as it was being preached to them.

    Logical reason is useless when applied to Scripture if you do not first believe what is written.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Yes they thought that intellectual acceptance was enough and they could continue to walk in the darkness of their minds.

    It is a common idea now.

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