August 5, 2006 at 9:00 am #23670
I take that as a no but my confusion stems from your comment about raising the dead, which relates to resurrection.
We need to learn so much about Sheol and Hades as scripture is full of descriptions of it though many ignore them preferring an understanding of it as a common grave for the bodies of the dead and yet Jesus showed us so much about it in Lk 16.August 5, 2006 at 10:25 am #23671Adam PastorMember
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Quote Nowhere does scripture say this was divination or satanic power or not true as written.
For the edification of others who have ears to hear …
(1 Chr 10:13-14) So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against YAHWEH, even against the word of YAHWEH, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of IT; 14 And inquired not of YAHWEH: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.August 5, 2006 at 10:50 am #23673malcolm ferrisMember
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Hi Adam Pastor
So Saul died because He asked a witch instead of asking God. But what I think Nick was meaning was that the witch ended up regretting what she had done when she realised that the King had summoned Samuel the prophet – who (being yet a prophet of God – though dead) rebuked Saul and told him that he would be that same day in the same place as Samuel was.
Before the victory of Christ at his resurrection – scripture tell us the souls of the righteous were held captive, and were led out of this captivity with Jesus when he rose from the dead.
Saul was the Lord's anointed – according to David – whom David refused to kill when he had the opportunity.
So personally I believe that Saul was killed for his disobedience to God's commands and God even allowed a woman with a familiar spirit to be instrumental in this, to bring forth the spirit of Samuel who then condemned the King.August 5, 2006 at 8:40 pm #23684
Quote (Adam Pastor @ Aug. 05 2006,11:25) Quote Nowhere does scripture say this was divination or satanic power or not true as written.
For the edification of others who have ears to hear …
(1 Chr 10:13-14) So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against YAHWEH, even against the word of YAHWEH, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of IT; 14 And inquired not of YAHWEH: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.
Yes a familiar spirit is of the occult power world which is under the kingdom of Satan.
This unique event was sought through occult means and
allowed by God for our edification.
Ps GGGIrl; this is the thread spoken of.August 5, 2006 at 9:39 pm #23689
Hi Adam Pastor,
The sin of Saul that led to the Spirit of God leaving him [1Sam 16.14]and eventually to his death at his own hand was disobedience to the Lord as shown in
1 Sam 15
“8He captured (A)Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and (B)utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
9But Saul and the people ©spared Agag and the best of the sheep, the oxen, the fatlings, the lambs, and all that was good, and were not willing to destroy them utterly; but everything despised and worthless, that they utterly destroyed.
10Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying,
11″(D)I regret that I have made Saul king, for (E)he has turned back from following Me and has not carried out My commands ” And Samuel was distressed and (F)cried out to the LORD all night.
12Samuel rose early in the morning to meet Saul; and it was told Samuel, saying, “Saul came to (G)Carmel, and behold, he set up a monument for himself, then turned and proceeded on down to (H)Gilgal.”
13Samuel came to Saul, and Saul said to him, “(I)Blessed are you of the LORD! I have carried out the command of the LORD.”
14But Samuel said, “(J)What then is this bleating of the sheep in my ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?”
15Saul said, “They have brought them from the Amalekites, for (K)the people spared the best of the sheep and oxen, to sacrifice to the LORD your God; but the rest we have utterly destroyed.”
16Then Samuel said to Saul, “Wait, and let me tell you what the LORD said to me last night.” And he said to him, “Speak!”
17Samuel said, “Is it not true, (L)though you were little in your own eyes, you were made the head of the tribes of Israel? And the LORD anointed you king over Israel,
18and the LORD sent you on a mission, and said, '(M)Go and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are exterminated.'
19″Why then did you not obey the voice of the LORD, (N)but rushed upon the spoil and did what was evil in the sight of the LORD?”
20Then Saul said to Samuel, “(O)I did obey the voice of the LORD, and went on the mission on which the LORD sent me, and have brought back Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
21″But (P)the people took some of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the choicest of the things devoted to destruction, to sacrifice to the LORD your God at Gilgal.”
“(Q)Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, ®to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.
23″For rebellion is as the sin of (S)divination,
And insubordination is as (T)iniquity and idolatry
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
(U)He has also rejected you from being king.”
24Then Saul said to Samuel, “(V)I have sinned; (W)I have indeed transgressed the command of the LORD and your words, because I feared the people and listened to their voice.
25″Now therefore, (X)please pardon my sin and return with me, that I may worship the LORD.”
26But Samuel said to Saul, “I will not return with you; for (Y)you have rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD has rejected you from being king over Israel.”
Interestingly and ironically his disobedeince was put alongside the sin of divination.August 5, 2006 at 10:21 pm #23693
Hi Adam Pastor,
“Let me add that Paul saw himself as a living mortal soul with a likewise mortal body. He therefore knew one day he would die. He would cease to live.
Paul therefore looked forward to the day when he would be immortalized i.e. resurrected as an immortal soul
He never once envisaged himself existing/living at any point without a body (like the Greeks/Platonists believed) hence his statement: (2 Cor 5:3) If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
He called this Greek way of thinking … nakedness.
Paul, like every other Jew who believed in the hope of the resurrection; looked forward to the day that he would be clothed with immortality; i.e. immortalized with an immortal body.
The house [2 Cor. 5.1ff] therefore was that immortal corporeal spiritual body that is promised to every saint.
Paul like every other saint, will be clothed with that new body in the resurrection; henceforth the saints will be immortal human beings like our Lord Jesus the Messiah.
The OT Jews and the early church were not dualists.”
Dualism came from the Hellenistic Gnostics. It originated in Greek philosophy & Platonism.
The Gnostics propagated Dualism under the guise of Christianity, that somehow mankind is split up into two parts:
a mortal body and an immortal soul.
Later on, the Greek fathers used this view to propagate their version of Jesus. That is, Jesus had a mortal body which housed an immortal being known as the Logos. That is, Jesus was this pre-existing immortal being namely the Logos, become flesh.
So at the crucifixion, the body died but the immortal, pre-existing Logos (which was who Jesus really was) lived on.
The rest is history.”
I see your pont.
The first resurrection is the hope of Paul and of us such that we will be found clothed in immortality at the return of Jesus.
But it does not explain Paul's view of death as putting aside of the old tent body, in your view that man is soul and such separation is not possible.August 5, 2006 at 10:51 pm #23697
“In my view, spirit is the breath that YHWH gives us that causes us to be alive. When we die, that breath leaves us, and our bodies live no more. Thus, when Y'shua committed his spirit to YHWH on the cross, he immediately breathed his last, (Luke 24:36). The word “spirit” has other meanings, and are used in different ways in scripture, but this is its most fundamental meaning. It's most used secondary meaning is somewhat synonymous with the word “mind”. In other, words, if you have the spirit of christ, you have the mind of christ (1 Corinthians 2:16).
Adam Pastor has already discussed the meaning of soul above, so I won't duplicate his thoughts. I would just add that the most common secondary meaning of the word “soul” is similar to how we use the word “heart”. Though we have a physical heart that beats and keeps us alive, when we say, “My heart is sad”, we are describing our emotional mental state, not making the heart into something that exists on its own. “
Gen 2.7 says man is man when just dust.
The breath of God makes us living beings
and when we die the spirit leaves, as with Jesus, and returns to God but our being remains unto the resurrection of the body..August 5, 2006 at 11:16 pm #23699
Hi Adam Pastor,
“He never once envisaged himself existing/living at any point without a body (like the Greeks/Platonists believed) hence his statement: (2 Cor 5:3) If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
He called this Greek way of thinking … nakedness.”
Ps 49 certainly speaks of nakedness, or having no habitation.
” 13This is the (W)way of those who are foolish,
And of those after them who (X)approve their words. Selah.
14As sheep they are appointed (Y)for Sheol;
Death shall be their shepherd;
And the (Z)upright shall rule over them in the morning,
And their form shall be for Sheol (AA)to consume
So that they have no habitation.
15But God will (AB)redeem my soul from the power of Sheol,
For (AC)He will receive me. Selah.”
Sheol consumes the form of man but the soul can be redeemed.August 23, 2006 at 8:50 pm #25386
If Jesus was not a son of Mary he was not a man, and not Son of Man.October 1, 2006 at 12:41 am #29767
” 25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.”
If man is like a vessel or a cup could it be that the outside of that cup is the flesh and the inside of that cup the soul making an integral person till death when the spirit that gives us life leaves man to return to God?November 16, 2006 at 2:14 am #32443
This is God's view of unsaved man, specifically Israel but also applying to the gentiles.
The whore and her daughters serving foreign gods.
1Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
3And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
4And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
5None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
6And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
7I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.
8Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, and thou becamest mine.
9Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
10I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
11I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord GOD.
15But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
17Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
18And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.
19My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord GOD.
20Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
21That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?
22And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.
23And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the LORD GOD;)
24That thou hast also built unto thee an eminent place, and hast made thee an high place in every street.
25Thou hast built thy high place at every head of the way, and hast made thy beauty to be abhorred, and hast opened thy feet to every one that passed by, and multiplied thy whoredoms.
26Thou hast also committed fornication with the Egyptians thy neighbours, great of flesh; and hast increased thy whoredoms, to provoke me to anger.
27Behold, therefore I have stretched out my hand over thee, and have diminished thine ordinary food, and delivered thee unto the will of them that hate thee, the daughters of the Philistines, which are ashamed of thy lewd way.
28Thou hast played the whore also with the Assyrians, because thou wast unsatiable; yea, thou hast played the harlot with them, and yet couldest not be satisfied.
29Thou hast moreover multiplied thy fornication in the land of Canaan unto Chaldea; and yet thou wast not satisfied therewith.
30How weak is thine heart, saith the LORD GOD, seeing thou doest all these things, the work of an imperious whorish woman;
31In that thou buildest thine eminent place in the head of every way, and makest thine high place in every street; and hast not been as an harlot, in that thou scornest hire;
32But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
33They give gifts to all whores: but thou givest thy gifts to all thy lovers, and hirest them, that they may come unto thee on every side for thy whoredom.
34And the contrary is in thee from other women in thy whoredoms, whereas none followeth thee to commit whoredoms: and in that thou givest a reward, and no reward is given unto thee, therefore thou art contrary.
35Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:
36Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;
37Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.
38And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
39And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.
40They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.
41And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.
42So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
43Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord GOD: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations.
44Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.
45Thou art thy mother's daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children: your mother was an Hittite, and your father an Amorite.
46And thine elder sister is Samaria, she and her daughters that dwell at thy left hand: and thy younger sister, that dwelleth at thy right hand, is Sodom and her daughters.
47Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they i
n all thy ways.
48As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
51Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.
52Thou also, which hast judged thy sisters, bear thine own shame for thy sins that thou hast committed more abominable than they: they are more righteous than thou: yea, be thou confounded also, and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters.
53When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then will I bring again the captivity of thy captives in the midst of them:
54That thou mayest bear thine own shame, and mayest be confounded in all that thou hast done, in that thou art a comfort unto them.
55When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.
56For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride,
57Before thy wickedness was discovered, as at the time of thy reproach of the daughters of Syria, and all that are round about her, the daughters of the Philistines, which despise thee round about.
58Thou hast borne thy lewdness and thine abominations, saith the LORD.
59For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.
60Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
61Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
62And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:
63That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.November 16, 2006 at 2:50 am #32444
Hi Adam Pastor,
“(1 Chr 10:13-14) So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against YAHWEH, even against the word of YAHWEH, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of IT; 14 And inquired not of YAHWEH: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.”
Indeed he did and he died for such rebellion.
But the occult powers are real and effective.
The magicians at the Pharaoh's court replicated several of the miracles wrought through Moses.November 30, 2006 at 2:20 am #33396
topicalNovember 30, 2006 at 12:52 pm #33412charityMember
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Creation..Returning To The Garden To Veiw The Trees
Secret even to how the Son was In the Garden of Eden.
The tree of life Himself?
Men Likened To Trees….. Even The Tree of The feild is Man's Life
Hsa 9:10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: [but] they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto [that] shame; and [their] abominations were according as they loved.
Jdg 9:10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, [and] reign over us.
Jdg 9:11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Jdg 9:14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, [and] reign over us.
Joe 1:12 The vine is dried up, and the fig tree languisheth; the pomegranate tree, the palm tree also, and the apple tree, [even] all the trees of the field, are withered: because joy is withered away from the sons of men.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
The New Creation in Christ To Replenish and Subdue, Those Taking Part in ressurecton of life Born Again Of A incorruptible seed. After The Adam creation that God said Go ahead and full the earth
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Col 3:10 And have put on the new [man], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Eph 3:9 And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:4 These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
The Beginning of Life, That shall see The Son Of God Arive wIth the Keys To Hell
Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Returning the Garden for the Truth about the trees
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
Luk 13:19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.
Deu 20:19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field [is] man's [life]) to employ [them] in the siege:
Created to End In Darkness Wax Old.. VOID… Or Be Recreated
If a tree dose not bear friut that can be eaten! it shall be cast to the ground as fuel for the fire
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Psa 102:18 This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.
charityNovember 30, 2006 at 9:36 pm #33430
Hi and welcome charity,
“1Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.”
12The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.
13Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God.
14They shall still bring forth fruit in old age; they shall be fat and flourishing;
8For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.
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