What did Christ mean?

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     journey42 
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    Luke 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea: and it should obey you.

    What does this imply? A mustard seed is so small, yet one would imagine that you would need an enormous amount of faith to do something like this?

    Can anyone please explain it?

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    Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 21 2012,06:33)
    Luke 17:6   And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea: and it should obey you.

    What does this imply?  A mustard seed is so small, yet one would imagine that you would need an enormous amount of faith to do something like this?

    Can anyone please explain it?


    J42

    Lk 17:5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!”

    Christ in his parable shows that even with a little faith you can come to do great things,

    and that faith is something like a seed who lives within us if we let it grow ,it will become bigger and bigger,stronger and stronger.

    Mt 13:31 He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field.(his heart)
    Mt 13:32 Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches.”

    THIS WAS ACCOMPLISHED BY CHRIST DISCIPLES,AND STILL WE ARE TODAY FEEDING ON THEIR MUSTARD TREE THEY HAVE PLANTED IN THE GARDEN OF GOD ,(EARTH)

    this is the way I see it ,

    Pierre

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     barley 
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    Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 20 2012,23:33)
    Luke 17:6   And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea: and it should obey you.

    What does this imply?  A mustard seed is so small, yet one would imagine that you would need an enormous amount of faith to do something like this?

    Can anyone please explain it?


    Even a tiny amount of believing is powerful, powerful enough to uproot trees and to move mountains.

    We do not have to be spiritual giants to get results.  We simply believe.

    barley

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     terraricca 
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    J42

    ???

    #274051
     journey42 
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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2012,01:59)

    Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 21 2012,06:33)
    Luke 17:6   And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea: and it should obey you.

    What does this imply?  A mustard seed is so small, yet one would imagine that you would need an enormous amount of faith to do something like this?

    Can anyone please explain it?


    J42

    Lk 17:5 The apostles said to the Lord, “Increase our faith!”

    Christ in his parable shows that even with a little faith you can come to do great things,

    and that faith is something like a seed who lives within us if we let it grow ,it will become bigger and bigger,stronger and stronger.

    Mt 13:31 He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field.(his heart)
    Mt 13:32 Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches.”

    THIS WAS ACCOMPLISHED BY CHRIST DISCIPLES,AND STILL WE ARE TODAY FEEDING ON THEIR MUSTARD TREE THEY HAVE PLANTED IN THE GARDEN OF GOD ,(EARTH)

    this is the way I see it ,

    Pierre


    Hi Pierre

    Praise the Lord, for God has revealed this to you. I missed the verse in Matthew, and thank you, that makes it so much more clearer on what I am about to discuss.

    If we read the verse in Luke, then we only get this picture.
    Luke 17:6 And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea: and it should obey you.

    It appears as if we only just believe an incy tiny bit, then we can accomplish great miracles like the one mentioned….but can you and I do this?
    no matter how much faith we have, and I'm sure it's larger than the size of a mustard seed, we cannot perform this.

    But if we seek the scriptures, we have more of an explanation and understanding regarding the mustard seed, like the scripture you quoted in Matthew. God bless you for searching to find the answer brother.

    Matthew 13:31 another parable he put forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field:

    Matthew 13:32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds but WHEN it is GROWN, it is the greatest among herbs, and BECOMES a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

    So, this tiny mustard seed is compared to;
    the kingdom of heaven.

    This tiny mustard seed will;
    grow
    expand
    mature
    reach it's full potential

    But the kingdom has to be set up on earth first
    because whilst the kingdom is still growing;
    more have to come in,
    Israelites, and gentiles

    And our faith will;
    grow
    expand
    mature
    reach it's full potential

    but as soon as Christ returns, he will resurrect ]us, and quicken us to spirit
    WHEN this happens, our faith will be fully matured, and we will inherit everything that belongs to the Father.
    At the coming of Christ.
    The promise.
    We will be spirit.
    Perfect.
    Fully matured

    But whilst this is happening, the kingdom still has to grow

    So although we are fully matured, the rest have to come in now;
    The Israelites
    The Gentiles
    Their faith has to grow now, and it will mature at the end of the 1000 years

    then the rest of those to come in will also be able to say to the sycamore tree, uproot here, and plant yourself over there. Only after they are changed to spirit
    …after the 1000 years.

    THEN THE KINGDOM WILL BE FULLY MATURED,
    filled with all of God's children. The whole lot of them

    but the saints now, who will receive glory with Christ on his return
    will be fully matured and changed to SPIRIT,
    THEN they can command the sycamore tree to move elsewhere, and anything else they command will be done.
    These saints will inherit the kingdom, before the rest. They will be the kings, and priests. FULLY MATURED. Qualified to teach.

    That mustard seed is the Kingdom of God, planted in our hearts preparing to mature.

    Very exciting.

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    J42

    Quote
    But the kingdom has to be set up on earth first
    because whilst the kingdom is still growing;
    more have to come in,
    Israelites, and gentiles

    And our faith will;
    grow
    expand
    mature
    reach it's full potential

    but as soon as Christ returns, he will resurrect ]us, and quicken us to spirit
    WHEN this happens, our faith will be fully matured, and we will inherit everything that belongs to the Father.
    At the coming of Christ.
    The promise.
    We will be spirit.
    Perfect.
    Fully matured

    But whilst this is happening, the kingdom still has to grow

    So although we are fully matured, the rest have to come in now;
    The Israelites
    The Gentiles
    Their faith has to grow now, and it will mature at the end of the 1000 years

    then the rest of those to come in will also be able to say to the sycamore tree, uproot here, and plant yourself over there. Only after they are changed to spirit
    …after the 1000 years.

    THEN THE KINGDOM WILL BE FULLY MATURED,
    filled with all of God's children. The whole lot of them

    but the saints now, who will receive glory with Christ on his return
    will be fully matured and changed to SPIRIT,
    THEN they can command the sycamore tree to move elsewhere, and anything else they command will be done.
    These saints will inherit the kingdom, before the rest. They will be the kings, and priests. FULLY MATURED. Qualified to teach.

    That mustard seed is the Kingdom of God, planted in our hearts preparing to mature.

    all of this is more imagination then truth ,

    is it not ???

    Pierre

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     journey42 
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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,16:52)
    J42

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    But the kingdom has to be set up on earth first
    because whilst the kingdom is still growing;
    more have to come in,
    Israelites, and gentiles

    And our faith will;
    grow
    expand
    mature
    reach it's full potential

    but as soon as Christ returns, he will resurrect ]us, and quicken us to spirit
    WHEN this happens, our faith will be fully matured, and we will inherit everything that belongs to the Father.  
    At the coming of Christ.  
    The promise.  
    We will be spirit.
    Perfect.
    Fully matured

    But whilst this is happening, the kingdom still has to grow

    So although we are fully matured, the rest have to come in now;
    The Israelites
    The Gentiles
    Their faith has to grow now, and it will mature at the end of the 1000 years

    then the rest of those to come in will also be able to say to the sycamore tree, uproot here, and plant yourself over there.  Only after they are changed to spirit
    …after the 1000 years.

    THEN THE KINGDOM WILL BE FULLY MATURED,
    filled with all of God's children.  The whole lot of them

    but the saints now, who will receive glory with Christ on his return
    will be fully matured and changed to SPIRIT,
    THEN they can command the sycamore tree to move elsewhere, and anything else they command will be done.
    These saints will inherit the kingdom, before the rest.  They will be the kings, and priests. FULLY MATURED.  Qualified to teach.

    That mustard seed is the Kingdom of God, planted in our hearts preparing to mature.

    all of this is more imagination then truth ,

    is it not ???

    Pierre


    Hi Pierre

    I thought you understood?

    Faith the size of a mustard seed is LIKE the kingdom of God.
    The explanation was made more clear in Matthew.

    FAITH.
    It will grow and MATURE.
    WHEN we are changed to SPIRIT we can do anything.
    but not whilst we are still FLESH,
    only WHEN we are MATURED.

    we are FULLY MATURED when Christ returns and resurrects all the saints. We WILL BE CHANGED THEN.

    but in the meantime,
    more have to come into the kingdom.
    for 1000 years.
    These are still FLESH.
    They are learning but not fully matured yet.
    When all has come in, then the rest will be changed to spirit after the 1000 years.

    Then the kingdom of God is fully matured, and Zion will have all her children with her. Everything will be history.

    I hope you understand this better now.

    #274254
     terraricca 
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    Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2012,05:19)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,16:52)
    J42

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    But the kingdom has to be set up on earth first
    because whilst the kingdom is still growing;
    more have to come in,
    Israelites, and gentiles

    And our faith will;
    grow
    expand
    mature
    reach it's full potential

    but as soon as Christ returns, he will resurrect ]us, and quicken us to spirit
    WHEN this happens, our faith will be fully matured, and we will inherit everything that belongs to the Father.  
    At the coming of Christ.  
    The promise.  
    We will be spirit.
    Perfect.
    Fully matured

    But whilst this is happening, the kingdom still has to grow

    So although we are fully matured, the rest have to come in now;
    The Israelites
    The Gentiles
    Their faith has to grow now, and it will mature at the end of the 1000 years

    then the rest of those to come in will also be able to say to the sycamore tree, uproot here, and plant yourself over there.  Only after they are changed to spirit
    …after the 1000 years.

    THEN THE KINGDOM WILL BE FULLY MATURED,
    filled with all of God's children.  The whole lot of them

    but the saints now, who will receive glory with Christ on his return
    will be fully matured and changed to SPIRIT,
    THEN they can command the sycamore tree to move elsewhere, and anything else they command will be done.
    These saints will inherit the kingdom, before the rest.  They will be the kings, and priests. FULLY MATURED.  Qualified to teach.

    That mustard seed is the Kingdom of God, planted in our hearts preparing to mature.

    all of this is more imagination then truth ,

    is it not ???

    Pierre


    Hi Pierre

    I thought you understood?

    Faith the size of a mustard seed is LIKE the kingdom of God.
    The explanation was made more clear in Matthew.

    FAITH.
    It will grow and MATURE.
    WHEN we are changed to SPIRIT we can do anything.
    but not whilst we are still FLESH,
    only WHEN we are MATURED.

    we are FULLY MATURED when Christ returns and resurrects all the saints.  We WILL BE CHANGED THEN.

    but in the meantime,
    more have to come into the kingdom.
    for 1000 years.
    These are still FLESH.  
    They are learning but not fully matured yet.
    When all has come in, then the rest will be changed to spirit after the 1000 years.

    Then the kingdom of God is fully matured, and Zion will have all her children with her.  Everything will be history.

    I hope you understand this better now.


    J42

    did you see i cut you comment at a point were it does not in line with scriptures,

    some is good and true but not all

    Pierre

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     journey42 
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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 25 2012,14:46)

    Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 25 2012,05:19)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2012,16:52)
    J42

    Quote
    But the kingdom has to be set up on earth first
    because whilst the kingdom is still growing;
    more have to come in,
    Israelites, and gentiles

    And our faith will;
    grow
    expand
    mature
    reach it's full potential

    but as soon as Christ returns, he will resurrect ]us, and quicken us to spirit
    WHEN this happens, our faith will be fully matured, and we will inherit everything that belongs to the Father.  
    At the coming of Christ.  
    The promise.  
    We will be spirit.
    Perfect.
    Fully matured

    But whilst this is happening, the kingdom still has to grow

    So although we are fully matured, the rest have to come in now;
    The Israelites
    The Gentiles
    Their faith has to grow now, and it will mature at the end of the 1000 years

    then the rest of those to come in will also be able to say to the sycamore tree, uproot here, and plant yourself over there.  Only after they are changed to spirit
    …after the 1000 years.

    THEN THE KINGDOM WILL BE FULLY MATURED,
    filled with all of God's children.  The whole lot of them

    but the saints now, who will receive glory with Christ on his return
    will be fully matured and changed to SPIRIT,
    THEN they can command the sycamore tree to move elsewhere, and anything else they command will be done.
    These saints will inherit the kingdom, before the rest.  They will be the kings, and priests. FULLY MATURED.  Qualified to teach.

    That mustard seed is the Kingdom of God, planted in our hearts preparing to mature.

    all of this is more imagination then truth ,

    is it not ???

    Pierre


    Hi Pierre

    I thought you understood?

    Faith the size of a mustard seed is LIKE the kingdom of God.
    The explanation was made more clear in Matthew.

    FAITH.
    It will grow and MATURE.
    WHEN we are changed to SPIRIT we can do anything.
    but not whilst we are still FLESH,
    only WHEN we are MATURED.

    we are FULLY MATURED when Christ returns and resurrects all the saints.  We WILL BE CHANGED THEN.

    but in the meantime,
    more have to come into the kingdom.
    for 1000 years.
    These are still FLESH.  
    They are learning but not fully matured yet.
    When all has come in, then the rest will be changed to spirit after the 1000 years.

    Then the kingdom of God is fully matured, and Zion will have all her children with her.  Everything will be history.

    I hope you understand this better now.


    J42

    did you see i cut you comment at a point were it does not in line with scriptures,

    some is good and true but not all

    Pierre


    Greetings brother Pierre

    Yes I did jump too far ahead.
    I'm always trying to give my brothers how things fit into the BIG PICTURE. I gave away way too much additional info…..

    You see, some don't just write for the fun of it.
    These are valuable jewels.
    We need to pick up these jewels and put them in our pocket.
    We are gonna need them
    If I'm passionate, and the spirit moves me, I will spit it out. Whatever comes out concerning the plan of God.
    I know other brothers will get this urge too.
    The picture never stops
    The picture is continuous, flowing, in order, marvellous
    The picture is revealed to us by the Word of God.

    I'm not a prophet, or anyone great.
    I don't have a church to protect
    Just a simple truth seeker.
    A loner in Christ
    I've been hushed for too long.

    So much light
    So little time.

    If you disagree with anything, and find it not true, then tell me exactly which part and we can discuss.

    God bless

    #274319
     terraricca 
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    J42

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    Just a simple truth seeker.
    A loner in Christ

    yes ,this is so true,and my heart goes to you,

    test all spirits (thoughts ) to see if they are in line with scriptures ,because God never change ,do not let your heart be taken astray,

    God bless you,

    Pierre

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     kerwin 
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    Anyone who is concerned;

    It is not faith that does great things, it is God. God will reward even those that have small faith by doing great things them.

    #274401
     journey42 
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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2012,05:09)
    Anyone who is concerned;

    It is not faith that does great things, it is God.  God will reward even those that have small faith by doing great things them.


    Hi Kerwin

    Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Love Journey.

    #274430
     kerwin 
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    Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 26 2012,06:37)

    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 26 2012,05:09)
    Anyone who is concerned;

    It is not faith that does great things, it is God.  God will reward even those that have small faith by doing great things them.


    Hi Kerwin

    Hebrews 11:1   Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Love Journey.


    Journey,

    That to is true.

    #274439
     terraricca 
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    All

    You can do greater things with love ,that is love for God

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    seek and you will find
    seek grace

    We could do even greater things than he did Jesus said.

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