Upon this rock, Jesus Christ built his Church

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  • #800168
     t8 
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    True faith is based on the revelation of Jesus Christ

    Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven”.

    Okay I believe that and thus because I believe it with all my heart and mind, then is that not what the Father wants.

    What do I lack according to you? Submission to a third century doctrine?

    Who is the one relying on the teaching of men as you say?

    #800169
     t8 
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    While you continue to rely on doctrine…

    DavidL. Are you aware how important doctrine is?

    And you advocate relying on a man-made third-century doctrine instead?

    I think not.

    2 John 1:9
    Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

    #800181
     t8 
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    lies – because, like all cult teaching, you twist Scripture to promote your own false ideas..

    So how is this clear passage of scripture twisted? We take it at face value. To see it as the Trinity or to not contradict the Trinity requires much twisting.

    Jesus said: “Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent“.

    Either believe what he said, ignore it, or twist it.

    I have chosen to believe it. You by reason of your opposition to the idea reject it and do so publicly before men.

    You try to project your own problems on to us. Look to yourself first. You cannot sort anything out if your own house is not in order.

    #800187
     kerwin 
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    t8,

    I find it beyond coincidences that a relatively new teaching supported by the Roman Empire comes out of Rome that resembles the imperial cult with a being they call Jesus Christ as the Emperor and God. They stuck with the idea that there is but in God though the imperial cult fits poorly into that teaching as it was originally a polytheistic teaching. It was literally sticking a square peg in a round hole and then blinding yourself to why it fits poorly.

    #800193
     t8 
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    Is it eternal life to know both the only true God and the Son of God, that this only true God sent?

    Is that a fabrication?

    Or is it that the three co-equal persons as the same God a fabrication?

    In the least, one of these options is a fabrication.

    I do not think Jesus own words were a fabrication, so you know which I believe is the fabrication.

    You obviously are against Christ’s own words, but his sheep should hear his voice.

    I am not worried if millions are against me or I oppose their view, but I would be worried if  Jesus Christ was against me or I was against what he taught.

    #800194
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    Hi David:

    T8 has quoted many scriptures showing you that the “Trinity doctrine” is not scriptural, but if scripture will not convince you of your error then I doubt if I quoted others it would make any difference, since you like most Trinitarians are never going to admit that they have misunderstood the scriptures, but I have noticed that you never quote scriptures when you insist that you are right and that we who do not believe that doctrine are in error, and so, if you want to convince me that the “Trinity doctrine” is an orthodox doctrine, please quote the scriptures to support your allegation.  If I have misunderstood the scriptures, I want to be corrected.  I do not want to teach anything that God did not say.

    When Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by the devil, he replied with:

    “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God”

    And so, if it is not written, God did not say it, and if He did not say it I for one will never believe any doctrine that is not supported by scripture.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

     

    #800251
     dL 
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    “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” – Matthew 16:17-18

    You will never be able to see Scripture in a clear light while you continue to use it as a means of supporting and propagating your own pre-conceived ideas..period.

    True faith is built upon the revelation God gives through His Word – not the dead and deceitful interpretations of men, who seek to use truth as a means of promoting their own cult teachings..

    Consider the information you present on this site (to confound belief in the triune nature of God) – is it the teaching of flesh and blood..? or the inspired revelation that comes from the Father…??

    You prove time after time that it is nothing but the dead product of your own carnal reasoning…

    While the triune nature of God is clear to all Spirit-filled believers as the perfect Spirit-breathed truth of God Himself..

    But because of logical conclusions drawn from the study of dead creeds (and carefully selected verses) – you now have your own dead creed..

    That foolishly attempts to deny the actual revelation and reality of God..

    Which He Himself has revealed through His Living Word.

    #800252
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    So is trinity a revelation from the Word?

    It is not written anywhere.

     

    So do you not have TRUE FAITH?

    #800253
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    “While the triune nature of God is clear to all Spirit-filled believers as the perfect Spirit-breathed truth of God Himself”

    I know you claim to be Spirit led

    but who gave you authority to speak for others?

    At best you may speak for yourself but you seem to be a lone voice of rebellion.

     

    #800254
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    At best the trinity idea is based on supposed inferences that knitted together could lead the immature to their conclusion.

    It that the sort of rock you think the church is based on?

    #800255
     dL 
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    t8

    And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.” – John 17:3

    We all know that this is the selected verse you take to support and defend your contrived argument against the Trinity…

    Selected… because you do not compare it against other verses that clearly show His Deity..

    Like Jesus’ own statement – “Before Abraham was born, I AM.”

    or Hebrews, which declares – “But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.”

    But instead you do want is typical of cult teaching – deny all verses that don’t happen to line up with your own specific interpretation..

    In quoting John 17:3  you ignore the context of it and use it as an overall base for your own selective doctrine..

    Scripture tells us that Jesus came from a place of Oneness and equality with the Father..

    Not to present Himself in His Deity

    But to become a man

    THIS is the context and setting for His prayer, in which He (as a man) defines the Father as the only true God..!!

    But even in this chosen verse, which you’ve construed for your own purpose..

    We clearly see the very thing you attempt to deny – the Oneness of Jesus with God – as God…!!!

    Is eternal life found in the Father alone..?

    Or in Father and Son together…??

    The simple truth is that you cannot have the Father alone without the Son or the Holy Spirit..!!!

    The Three are united as One – in what Scripture reveals as the ‘Godhead’

    Or what we know today as THE TRINITY.

     

    #800262
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Davidl,

    Your cult is based on ignorance and the attempts of men to try to develop ideas to surmount it.

    Having only natural minds they cannot grasp spiritual matters .

    #800263
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    You would need to add continual layers of contextual explanations if you just accept what YOU said

    -that the trinity idea sprang from men trying to oppose error

    -and go back to the divine source of truth.

    Thy word is truth.

    #800269
     dL 
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    You would need to add continual layers of contextual explanations if you just accept what YOU said

    No – but as YOU prove, you must add continual layers of carnal explanations if you deny what the Holy Spirit reveals.

    #800270
     NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    No need to continual doctrinal justifications if you just listen to the words of Jesus Christ.

    ”I go to my Father and your Father, my God and your God”

    simple

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