May 9, 2015 at 2:53 pm #796903
Put aside what trinitarians have taught you about the Spirit. They try to divide God from His Spirit.
They originally decided God was a binity and then thought the Spirit should be added in.
You have a spirit. Without your spirit you would be dead. james 2.26
God has a Spirit too.
God is never separate from His Spirit.
God creates by His Spirit ps 104.30
God IS in heaven and so Jesus told us to pray to him there. Mt 6.9
But in His creation God operates by His Spirit
Earth cannot contain God is 66.1 but God can and does manifest in creation as His Spirit.Acts 5 1f
Jn 14-16 shows detail of the work of the Spirit in men.
To blaspheme Jesus is forgiveable but to do so against the Spirit of God is not.
Men without the help of the Spirit cannot grasp the ways of God.May 12, 2015 at 1:47 pm #797184
Okay AndrewAD. You went back to the Trinity. Of course I do not damn you. You are not my servant. As to your salvation that is not mine to judge.
Let’s talk about the Trinity.
Why is it when you replace the word “God” in scripture with “Trinity” it breaks it. And when you replace it with “Father” it keeps the true meaning?
Before anyone asks, I am not including other references to ‘theos’ or ‘elohim’ that are clearly not the one true God., such as the “god of this age”, “ye are gods”, etc.
Just talking of scripture that is clearly talking about God, such as John 3:16:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
If the biblical God was truly a Trinity, and if God is to be understood as a Trinity, then why does it break this verse and all relevant others? See for yourself:
For The Trinity so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
And why is the word HE used, surely it should be THEY. But we never see that.
Keep it simple AndrewAD. Why is that?May 15, 2015 at 9:34 am #797431
Thanks for your response t8, though I must say I am disappointed. In a website, with pages supposedly discussing the trinity, they only really focus on the identity of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is hardly mentioned. Then when asked, all I get is an analogy on the rays of the sun. Though a good analogy, and I do appreciate you responding, it does remind me of the writings of the early trinitarian Sabellius.
I myself am someone who has been brought up with a Trinitarian mindset, and am currently in the process of genuinely looking into its claims, and asking God to show me truth from his word.
I read this verse the other day and thought it might be relevant in your search.
The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
So the Holy Spirit came to Mary and notice that it doesn’t say ‘power of the Holy Spirit’, rather ‘power of the Most High’. Is that an indirect reference that the Holy Spirit is not another person, but part of God himself?
Further we read this regarding the Holy Spirit and Jesus.
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Surely this is showing us that the Holy Spirit is greater than the Son of Man. If the Holy Spirit was God’s essence or what God is, then it would make sense. But if the Holy Spirit was a third person below the Son of God, the third member, then it would seem contradictory.
For me, I differentiate God and the Holy Spirit this way.
May 15, 2015 at 10:32 am #797447
- Who is God? He is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
- Where is God? He is in Heaven.
- What is God? He is spirit.
- Where is the Spirit? His spirit is in all redeemed creation
Though a good analogy, and I do appreciate you responding, it does remind me of the writings of the early trinitarian Sabellius.
Sabellius’ opposition to the emerging idea of the Trinity led to his excommunication as a heretic by Pope Callixtus I (Callistus) in AD 220.
May 15, 2015 at 11:41 am #797450kerwinParticipant
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Sabellius was a modalist and that teaching is broken in many of the same places as Trinitarianism. Modalist find the concept of three persons in one individual as absurd and so rejected that broken tenet but that still blaspheme the name of God by claiming Jesus is the one true God.May 15, 2015 at 1:19 pm #797458
Scripture is designed so that only those reborn from above can understand it
They alone can see the kingdom.Jn3
The rest argue.May 15, 2015 at 2:13 pm #797463
Dear t8, I do understand what you are saying but the letter killeth. Even as Nick says things must be understood spiritually and not with that carnal mind.
While you claim to keep it simple you at the same time make it even more complex.If I say Jesus Christ is the unique Son,am I not saying he’s God since he’s not quite the same as us? You may say based on various scripture that God hath not been seen,but just who did Isaiah see in his blessed theophany in Isaiah 6? St John’s gospel claims in 12:41 he saw the glory of Jesus Christ-the revealed God! Why did Jesus not say”this is life eternal that they may know thee the only true God” and leave it at that? Why must we know him to know God? You believe in Father,Son, and Holy Ghost? I know you do but not in the word trinity.You mince about words for what? for disunity? to see yourself as smarter,better,or a”real” Christian above the heretics?
If one believes in Jesus Christ,they believe not in him but the one who sent him? what form of religious spirit is that?May 15, 2015 at 2:17 pm #797464
Hey Nick- the rest argue? kind of like we all do here? -of course not-we are better than that! 🙂May 15, 2015 at 2:23 pm #797465
There is real truth to be found by genuine searchers.
It is our happy role to attempt to point folk to where the treasures are found.May 15, 2015 at 2:26 pm #797466
The NIV falsely adds the word JESUS in Jn 12.
It is not in the manuscripts.
Read Is 6 and you will see it is the Father being spoken of.
If you are unsure compare it with rev 4May 15, 2015 at 2:28 pm #797467
Kerwin, perhaps it’s you who blaspheme and that is why you are so stuck in the quagmire of sin and shame. Let “the Truth”set you free!May 15, 2015 at 2:59 pm #797468kerwinParticipant
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I am not foolish enough to claim God was tempted by sin even as we are. There is no one who sincerely believes in the one true God that will believe he is tempted by sin even as we are.
Some of those who claim Jesus is the one true God deny Jesus was tempted by sin even as we are and in doing so they deny the Son in order not to blaspheme God.May 15, 2015 at 2:59 pm #797469
Mincing about words?
Fiddling with the nature of God is a serious matter.
Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father.May 15, 2015 at 3:16 pm #797470
Lets just fiddle about words and mince on the nature of God then.May 15, 2015 at 3:19 pm #797472
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
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