Trinity and non-Trinity

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     t8 
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    A triune God is not one God the Father.
    God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit is not one God the Father.
    Looks like a dichotomy.

    For us there is one God the Father.
    Amazing that men will come up with anything to try and change that.
    I just don't understand what men gain in doing so.
    But it is their life and will.

    #278601
     Ed J 
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    Hi T8,

    1) Do you understand the definition of “a paradox”?
    2) Dichotomy: division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions

    3) How about 3? Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278604
     terraricca 
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    EDJ

    It seems that you do not understand the basic principal of truth,

    Like in truth their is no:ifs,no possibility,no doubts,no lie, it is so basic that it says let your yes be yes and your no be no,
    DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ? YES OR NO.

    #278609
     Ed J 
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    Hi Pierre,

    We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind
    as to answer my three questions listed six posts up?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278611
     terraricca 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:16)
    Hi Pierre,

    We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind
    as to answer my three questions listed six posts up?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ

    I have answered you but you did not understand it or see it,

    Is a paradox true ? No

    Is a dichotomy true ? No

    Is God talk to us or some of us in different ways and level,like by the spirit and action,YES

    #278614
     Ed J 
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    Hi Everyone, there are two basic ideas here.

    E. What is the least of things we “CAN” agree upon, regarding each particular piece of evidence.
    D. What is the most that a particular piece of evidence can exemplify. (What is it suppose to prove)

    Everybody here seems to go with point lettered D,
    “as if” that produces the same lofty conclusion
    to the opposition., which it clearly doesn't.

    So in this thread, I will be seeking small incremental agreements
    based exclusively on point number 1 to each piece of evidence; OK?

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    Reason for edit: I changed the two points to letters (instead of numbers) to avoid confusion

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2012,18:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:16)
    Hi Pierre,

    We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind
    as to answer my three questions listed six posts up?

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ

    I have answered you but you did not understand it or see it,

    Is a paradox true ? No

    Is a dichotomy true ? No

    Is God talk to us or some of us in different ways and level,like by the spirit and action,YES


    Hi Pierre, (this post also contains the current stats to my three questions)

    Questions numbered 1 and 2 are:  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITIONS of each of these words; yes or no?

    1. Paradox: A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
        that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes)

    2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes)

    3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278618
     terraricca 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:41)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2012,18:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:16)
    Hi Pierre,

    We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind
    as to answer my three questions listed six posts up?

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ

    I have answered you but you did not understand it or see it,

    Is a paradox true ? No

    Is a dichotomy true ? No

    Is God talk to us or some of us in different ways and level,like by the spirit and action,YES


    Hi Pierre, (this post also contains the current stats to my three questions)

    Questions numbered 1 and 2 are:  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITIONS of each of these words; yes or no?

    1. Paradox:  A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
        that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes)

    2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes)

    3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ

    Show me a example were paradox is true ?

    #278619
     terraricca 
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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 17 2012,01:52)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:41)

    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2012,18:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 17 2012,01:16)
    Hi Pierre,

    We are covering new ground here, will you be so kind
    as to answer my three questions listed six posts up?

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ

    I have answered you but you did not understand it or see it,

    Is a paradox true ? No

    Is a dichotomy true ? No

    Is God talk to us or some of us in different ways and level,like by the spirit and action,YES


    Hi Pierre, (this post also contains the current stats to my three questions)

    Questions numbered 1 and 2 are:  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITIONS of each of these words; yes or no?

    1. Paradox:  A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
        that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes)

    2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes)

    3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ

    Show me a example were paradox is true ?


    EDJ
    Show me were and how a dichotomy is true,?

    #278623
     Ed J 
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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2012,18:52)
    EDJ

    Show me a example were paradox is true ?


    Hi Pierre, (that “IS” what this thread is about)

    NOT SO FAST!   …First:  Do you understand the definitions
    of each of these words. (#1 “A Paradox”  and  #2 “A Dichotomy”)

    1. Paradox:  A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
       that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes)

    2. Dichotomy:  Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes)

    3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278637
     t8 
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    What is the point of this thread?

    Is it to compromise truth and say that both God is a Trinity and there is one God the Father are the same thing?

    Because my view is that God's truth is greater than any man.
    Thus I would tend to show more respect for truth than try and make a person happy because he doesn't believe something to be true.

    #278638
     t8 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 16 2012,19:13)
    1. Paradox: A seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition
    that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true. (David: Yes)

    2. Dichotomy: Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions. (T8: Yes)

    3. Do you believe that some Scripture is written on more than one level? (Pierre: Yes) (Mike: Yes) (T8: Yes)


    I honestly cannot be bothered answering this Edj.

    It looks like a game to me with a trick question just waiting for an unsuspecting victim to participate.

    I don't want to play games on Heaven Net.

    Might play Angry Birds on my phone, but Heaven Net has a different purpose.

    #278639
     Ed J 
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    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 16 2012,17:35)
    A triune God is not one God the Father.
    God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit is not one God the Father.
    Looks like a dichotomy.

    For us there is one God the Father.
    Amazing that men will come up with anything to try and change that.
    I just don't understand what men gain in doing so.
    But it is their life and will.


    Hi T8, what you are doing is this (and we all know this story)…

                F&G is a Dichotomy, BECAUSE BOTH CANNOT BE CORRECT!
     
                 F. a.(nT)Non-trinitarians are right / b.(T)trinitarians are wrong

                 G. a.(T)Trinitiarians are right / b.(nT)non-trinitarians are wrong.

    The lie in each of these (F&G) is used by both sides in an attempt to
    nullify the truth of “The Paradox” (J. which is what I will illustrate)!

    Which is:
                  J. (T)trinitarians are right  /  (nT)Non-trinitarians are right

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #278640
     t8 
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    In case you want to play Edj,

    I have 3 questions Edj.

    1) Why do people pay to go up tall buildings, then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground?
    2) Why does The Alphabet Song and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star have the same tune?
    3) Does pushing the elevator button more than once make it arrive faster?

    #278641
     t8 
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    What I am doing Edj is saying that scripture says that there is one God the Father, and the creeds that many hold to say that there is one God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

    So then I say, do you believe in a creed over scripture? And it appears that many will defend the creed, even when you point out the scripture and many others.

    Simple as that.

    Truth or Tradition?

    And we know all about men's traditions because we are told that they nullify the power of God.
    Ever wondered why denominations are powerless?
    Because their very foundation is a man-made tradition. Possibly even a doctrine of demons.

    Yes this is blunt, but that is how it is.

    Why do we need a game to make everyone happy.
    Jesus came to bring division.
    He draws a line of truth.
    Up to us where we want to stand.

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