The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    In Jn 8.42 It is the Spirit speaking.

    The Spirit came from God and was sent by Him.

    Surely you know the anointed Jesus spoke the Words of God?

     

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     t8 
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    Are you saying that the Spirit is speaking of himself in Jn 8.42 or of Jesus?

    Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.

    #820135
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Jn 8.42

    Jesus said to them

    ”If God were your Father you would come to me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come of my own initiative, but He sent me.”

    The Spirit spoke these words through the anointed vessel Jesus.

    Listen to the Spirit and do not be like the pharisees who only heard and saw the vessel and judged falsely.

     

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     t8 
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    You say the spirit spoke these words though the body of Jesus. The problem with the view that Jesus is but a mere flesh body but was the chosen vessel for the Spirit is numerous. For a start, Jesus would go around saying he was God and the Father if God hijacked the body for his purpose and spoke directly for himself. Further, when Jesus says: “not my will but yours”, that unleashes a whole teaching on the definition of flesh as it suggests that the flesh has a mind of its own.

    The truth is Jesus is a unique son of God. He has his own spirit and he is one with God’s spirit as we should be too. However, he has inherited a much greater name than anyone else. And he is the primary reason for creation. All things were made through him and for him. He is the firstborn of all creation and God made the cosmos through him.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Where did I say that the Spirit spoke through the BODY of Jesus?

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     Jael 
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    t8, can you explain what you mean by: ‘Jesus is the unique son of God’?

    In your opinion, what is it that marks Jesus’ as unique, and, what does it mean that he is [a] son?

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     t8 
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    Hi Jael. He is the prototype son. All other sons will be like him.

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     Jael 
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    t8, I don’t understand what you mean by ‘Prototype Son’.

    My questions were:

    1) What makes Jesus a unique son?

    2) What is the meaning of the term ‘Son’?

     

    #820549
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Jael…..Good question, to me Jesus is the actual human being that God has in mind for us all. He is not unique as meaning different from us human beings, but the exact purpose God the Father has in mind for us all, he is a “perfected” human being. There it behoved him to be made exactly as we are, at his berth, therefore he coul not have a prexisting being of some kind as many assume.

    Satans whole pln is to make JESUS appear different then we are and by that false teaching decieve all mankind, into thinking they could never attain to the “Full” measure and stature of JESUS, so he turned the image of Jesus into a God,inorder to move his stature and idenity away from all the rest of mankind. Satan and all his messengers infected the whole church at the very begining through he teaching of the Gnostic’s who taught that jesus was not a human but a God and onl desguised as a man, they also taught he was not an anointed human being, hence the term ANTICHRIST (against the anointing) a term coined by the the apostle John.

    The church fell away from the truth early on through these false teachings of the Gnostic’s . 2 Ths 2 the man of sin mentioned there is not a real person , it is a “Lie’ about Jesus, which turns the “IMAGE” OF JESUS INTO THE MAN OF SIN.

    Remember the first commandment “thou shall have no OTHER GOD BESIDES ME” , You shall make “NO” IMAGE OF ME IN HEAVEN ABOVE OR IN EARTH BELOW. BY TURNING JESUS INTO A GOD THEY ARE TURNING HIS “IMAGE’ INTO A GOD. IT IS A SIN.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Jael…..Good question, to me Jesus is the actual human being that God has in mind for us all. He is not unique as meaning different from us human beings, but the exact purpose God the Father has in mind for us all, he is a “perfected” human being. There it behoved him to be made exactly as we are, at his berth, therefore he coul not have a prexisting being of some kind, as many assume, because That would have made him different then we are.

    Satans whole plan is to make JESUS appear “different” then we are, and by this false teaching decieve all mankind, into thinking they could never attain to the “Full” measure and stature of JESUS, so he turned the image of Jesus into a God, inorder to move his stature and idenity away from all the rest of mankind. Satan and all his messengers begain to infected the whole church at the very begining through the teaching of the Gnostic’s, who taught that jesus was not a real human being, but a God, and only desguised as a man, they also taught he was not an “anointed” human being, hence the term ANTICHRIST (against the anointing) a term coined by the the apostle John.

    The church fell away from the truth early on through these false teachings of the Gnostic’s . 2 Ths 2 the man of sin mentioned there is not a real person , it is a “Lie’ about Jesus fostered by Satan himself, which turns the “IMAGE” OF JESUS INTO THE MAN OF SIN.

    Remember the first commandment “thou shall have no OTHER GOD BESIDES ME” , You shall make “NO” “IMAGE”, OF ME IN HEAVEN ABOVE OR IN EARTH BELOW. BY TURNING JESUS INTO A GOD THEY ARE TURNING HIS “IMAGE’ INTO A GOD. IT IS A SIN.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,

    This  is a private interpretation of Gene’s.

    He has no other supporting scriptures.

    #820552
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….Then please tell us what is the true interpretation of 2 ths2, if you know. Please answer these questions if you can.

    1….what is a “LIE” spoken of in 2ths2 ?
    2….is it brought forth by the working of Satan?
    3….what “man” do you know off that is being represented and worshiped as a GOD?
    4….what “MAN” that you know of that has taken his seat in the temple of GOD?
    5… what was that ‘INIQUITY” all ready at work even in Paul and John’s day?
    6….is it a “LIE” That they shall believe…2 ths 2:11.?
    7….is not this ‘LIE” desroryed by the spirit of Jesus’ mouth, or his words?
    8….did John not say there were “many” Antichrists already?
    9….who were those antichrists, that left the church because they were not truly of it.
    10….what was their teachings, “GNOSTIC’S”
    11…did not Jesus say they would come preaching him and decieve many?
    12…is not what now is being preached a false JEASUS?

    NICK, answer these question and perhaps you will come to see it.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….Then please tell us what is the true interpretation of 2 ths2, if you know. Please answer these questions if you can.

    1….what is a “LIE” spoken of in 2ths2 ?
    2….is it brought forth by the working of Satan?
    3….what “man” do you know off that is being represented and worshiped as a GOD?
    4….what “MAN” that you know of that has taken his seat in the temple of GOD?
    5… what was that ‘INIQUITY” all ready at work even in Paul and John’s day?
    6….is it a “LIE” That they shall believe…2 ths 2:11.?
    7….is not this ‘LIE” desroryed by the spirit of Jesus’ mouth, or his words?
    8….did John not say there were “many” Antichrists already?
    9….who were those antichrists, that left the church because they were not truly of it.
    10….what was their teachings, “GNOSTIC’S”
    11…did not Jesus say they would come preaching him and decieve many?
    12…is not what now is being preached a false JEASUS?

    NICK, answer these question and perhaps you will come to see it.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #820554
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    There are many possible answers to your questions.

    But you have used your logic and inference to stitch them together to draw a personal conclusion.

    #820556
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick, truth is “THE SUM OF GODS WORD” you seem unable to answer any of the questions, and give no alternative meaning of those scriptures either, why is that? Do you not understand what the spirit is saying or do you despise the spirit of prophecy, if you have the truth then produce it we are waiting, if not then why even disagree with what I said concerning those scriptures. If my logic is lead by the spirit of the Living GOD, Then why despise it? You claim it is not true, but yet give no reasons, nor answers to any of my questions.

    Anyone with the spirit of the truth, should have no problem putting it together imo.

    He who has the spirit let him hear.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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