The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

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    Profile photo of kerwin kerwin 
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    Nick,

    So reason is a weak tool for the worldly?

    Did you read that in the bible?

    I have never seen it written.

    God has no reason to tell those that live by the Spirit those words as they have already reasoned with him and received the promise of the Holy Spirit.

    The Spirit teaches those that receive the Spirit and reason is one of its tools. Reason also is a tool used to prevent those that are mature from falling. There are uses for it but they are of little importance.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    You think the ways of God are the same as those of men?

    Spiritual wisdom is not worldly wisdom.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    My words are spirit and life

    Faith comes from hearing…the Word of God.

    The natural mind is an arrogant obstacle to the ways of God

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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    You think the ways of God are the same as those of men?

    Spiritual wisdom is not worldly wisdom.

    Why don’t you know that Spiritual wisdom is the fruit of the Spirit and worldly wisdom is the work of the flesh?

    Logical reasoning can be either as Jesus lived by the Spirit and therefore the logic he uses is the fruit of the Spirit.

    Condemn the wisdom of this world as God condemns it but logical reasoning which he does not.

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    Profile photo of kerwin kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    My words are spirit and life

    Faith comes from hearing…the Word of God.

    The natural mind is an arrogant obstacle to the ways of God

    Yes, that is why Jesus’ conclusions arrived at by logical reasoning were rejected.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    The fruits of the Spirit are shown in Gal 5 and LOGIC is not among them.

    Men glorify such human wisdom .

    Greek wisdom.

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    Nick,

    That is but a sample of the fruits of the Spirit logic is not in itself a fruit of the Spirit is that it is a tool. For instance a hammer is not a fruit of the Spirit but what you do with it may well be.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    hi KW,

    Are there other fruits that are not written

    but you can discern and teach us about?

     

    Adding to scripture is not a problem?

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    Profile photo of kerwin kerwin 
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    Nick,

    If you look at other passage you will find some of the other fruits mentioned.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Which other fruits of the Spirit are there that are not written but you can teach about?

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    Nick,

    It is a waste of my time if you are not interested enough in the answer to see for yourself.

    There is no mention of charity in the whole list. Goodness or love can cover it and any every other fruit literally mentioned or not.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Love is charity.

    Any more?

     

    Should we add?

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    Profile photo of kerwin kerwin 
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    Nick,

    I am not sure why the AV of the King James bible used the word charity for Love but charity is part of love.

    An example of charity is to give what you have the poor and you will be rewarded in heaven.

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    Reason is important in spiritual matters because God reveals truth and he wants us to understand that truth. He wants us to reason together with him.

    Reason is not always just man trying to work stuff out, but can include pondering and meditating on that which God has revealed in order to understand it as deeply as possible.

    Take the Trinity Doctrine for example. It is not hard to reason the errors in it. But if you remove reason and say that we accept things without reason, then is that not the very thing that proponents of the Trinity Doctrine have done?

    There is a reason for everything but doing things without a reason can be considered reckless or careless. But God wants us to have the answer to questions regarding that which we believe. If we throw reason out the window, then we end up with statements with no understanding and accept them based on feelings or because we think we should.

    Can we use reason to test the teaching and the spirits?

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.

    Reason demands control over us.

    But the wind comes.

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