The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

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    Profile photo of kerwin kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    The importance of the verse is to know about the level of forgiveness from God available in Christ.

    Reason is just a route to this simple understanding.

    Are you disagreeing with God because he calls on all to reason with him?

    In order to reason with him a individual must believe what he says.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Do you have any supporting verses to show this verse is important for all?

    Logic does not fit with spiritual words.

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    If the true Church is founded upon the unmovable revelation of Jesus Christ – then why do you attempt to build doctrines on a foundation of logic...???

    Why are you so blind to this…!!!?

    Scripture states specifically – “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

    Can divine truth be ascertained through human reasoning…??
    No..!! the idea of the Trinity is as ridiculous and foolish to the natural mind, as rebirth was to Nicodemus…!! The carnal mind is enmity against God – it is actively opposed to the things of the Spirit…!!

    But when one is born of the Spirit, then the Spirit Himself confirms within us what is inspired of God – and what is of man…which is why no one who is born again ever has a problem with the Trinity – simply because the Deity of Christ is spiritually discerned…a Divine reality that can never be reached through logical means or by any work of human intellect (as you try to do here)..it is simply a revelation of the Spirit that every baby in Christ accepts and knows for a certainty is true (that is, until the tempter comes, like the serpent to Eve, with his carnal reasoning..whispering lies about the Word of God).

    At the end of the day you could quite simply spend a life-time studying church history and Bible doctrine etc, and still be in the dark… if you know not the life of the Spirit.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    hi davidl,

    You keep telling us about spiritual revelation then trundle out the old human fabrication of trinity.

    Polytheism is anathema.

     

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    fabrication or truth – it can’t be both..

    How do you decide…?

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    It is not shown in scripture.,

    Do you think that if you keep promoting it that it will become real?

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    Let God open your eyes to Scripture..

    Otherwise you only see what you want to see..

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    Hi davidl,

    Do you have to read between the lines to find your trinity because it is not taught about.

    You told us men developed it to fight off heresy did you not?

    Out of the frying pan into the fire

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    so all doctrine developed after the early church is uninspired..?

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    Yes.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    The roaring lion got amongst the flock.

    Truth and the power of God vanished with the anointed ones.

    But the religion of man thrived because it seems to please men when God is not involved.

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    Hi ,

    Of course the power of God did not change but because faith disappeared from earth God did not manifest His powers here as obviously as before.

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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Do you have any supporting verses to show this verse is important for all?

    Logic does not fit with spiritual words.

    I do not believe that God is telling everyone there ways are not his ways and their thoughts are not his thoughts as that would contradict the words of the New Testament. It did apply to those under the Law for Paul tells us that what Law says it says to those under the Law and in truth it applies to anyone who does not live by the Spirit. It does not apply to those that live by the Spirit as their thoughts are God’s thoughts and their ways are God’s ways since they are created like him in true righteousness and holiness.

    You should know this already.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    So reason is a weak tool for the worldly?

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    DavidL,

    If the true Church is founded upon the unmovable revelation of Jesus Christ – then why do you attempt to build doctrines on a foundation of logic…???

    Jesus uses logical reasoning in a number of places. It is a common way he chose to teach,

    Matthew 22:41-45Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

    Matthew 12:3-4Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 how he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

    Peter was inspired because he believed that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God but so is anyone else that believes it.

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