The soul

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  • #615185
     Wakeup 
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    Gene b.

     

    Please explain what part of us will be judged on judgement day?

    Is it not our works?

    Is it not the spirit of man, how he has been living during his lifetime?

    The drive of the flesh is the spirit of men.

    That spirit continues untill death; then it ceases to be.

    His works will follow to the grave,then judged.

    The spirit of the flesh needs to be replaced with the spirit of Christ.

    The hunger for worldly things needs to be changed with the hunger for God.

    This is how a person has come out of Babylon the great; he has come into the city of God.(Zion).

    Babylon the great is the city of the world;where all men dwelleth,by own choice.

    In babylon is more pleasure,and fun,but also tribulation and sorrows,and death.

    In Zion we have peace of mind and life.

     

    wakeup.

     

    wakeup.

     

    #616600
     kerwin 
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    T,

    Kerwin and Gene

    Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
    Rev 14:4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
    Rev 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

    144,000 is a symbolic number as it is 12 multiplied by 12 multiplied by 1000.  I am not sure about what the number 12 symbolizes but the number 1000 an its multiples is used all through Scripture as round numbers to indicate a very large amount. Many sources tell you that though I used the Jewish Virtual Library’s article on Numbers, Typical and Important.

    You believe it is speaking of symbolic Jews so you can see the connection to symbolic numbers.

    #616676
     terraricca 
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    The word symbolic is not mention in scriptures

     

    #616774
     kerwin 
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    T,

    The word symbolic is not mention in scriptures

    That is a very poor argument as the question is not whether it is mentioned in Scripture but rather if symbolism is used and unless you believe the 144,000 are literally the sons of Judah and members of the twelve tribes mention then you clearly believe symbolism is used.

    Another instance of  symbolism being use is the woman who is chased by the dragon.  I assume you do not believe she is a literal woman, even Mary.  Instead of being Mary, who gave birth to the child, she is the church.  The dragon is not literal either as it serves as a symbol of Satan and his agents.

    Insisting that 144,000 is to be taken literal while at the same time taking other words as symbolic without a reason is inconsistent.  The message of Revelations is not about details but about generalities.  Sometimes numbers are literal in Revelations, for example the number of trumps, but then they may still serve a symbolic purpose.

    #616868
     terraricca 
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    K

    {That is a very poor argument as the question is not whether it is mentioned in Scripture but rather if symbolism is used }

     

    you changed the topic ;from 144k  redeemed from the earth  to symbolism  ,and you establish thats the way to see it ,why you need me for ,

     

    the fact that you take it in symbolism I do not,  God is playing with your brain and wisdom , need more reading to perceive and distinct reality from symbolism ,so you may see the truth

    #629479
     kerwin 
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    T,

    I did not change the argument from the 144,000 redeemed from the earth to symbolism as my point is the 144,000 is a symbolic number and so not to be taken no more literal than the names of the Jewish tribes, or the word woman in the prophecy of the woman and the dragon. 1000 is just a number that represents a multitude and is used that way in other places of Scripture.

    The prophecy of Revelations is not meant to give you such and exact number just like it does not give the day and hour of Jesus second coming.

    #643660
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Terricca……….What question?

     

    Peace and and love to you and yours………………….. gene

    #653816
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Wakeup…………A true Christian has passed from death to life, Jesus told us, so our issue of eternal death judgement has alredy been solved brother, now this type of judgment remains for christians.

    let me explain, i might use a little parphasing  here to drive the point home.

    (Paul was takling about true  christians) when he said this, every mans work shall be judged, by fire (intense judgement), if he has built with gold, silver, or jewels, he shal recieve a reward, if he has built with hay, wood, or stubble, he shall suffer a loss, but he hmself will be saved,  yet as by fire (intense judgement). This is the way i see it brother.

     

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………………gene

    #654336
     Wakeup 
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    Geneb.

     

    Question.

     

    What is built with gold silver or stubble?

    Is it not our faith with works? What is faith without works?

    If our works is of stubble it will be burned.

    It is the works that go in the grave with the dead body.

    The works are on record for judgement day.

     

    wakeup.

     

    #654398
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Wakwup………..That sounds right to me except the saved who Paul was talking about are the Saints and they have a different judgement then the rest that die withiout Christ , they come up in the second resurection and will be Judged by ‘God Almighty by their works they have done in the flesh, but the saints come under the jufgement seat of Christ and are rewarded or suffer loss at Christs return and even if they suffer loss they themselves will be save yet as by fire (intense judgement)  , that is the way i now see it brother. You have two resurections and two judgements. IMO

     

    peace and love to you and yours……………………………….gene

     

    #735938
     NickHassan 
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    Hi WU,
    “The drive of the flesh is the spirit of men.”
    This is your idea?

    #735939
     NickHassan 
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    Hi GB,
    yet as by fire (intense judgement)

    You still add your own concepts to scripture?

    #735950
     terraricca 
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    @K

    if you believe that the number is a symbolic one then the redeemed ones are also symbolic for they are connected to each other ,

    and i do not believe that they are not symbolic at all. for only a part of the believers are redeemed from the earth the great crowed is for the earth

    #735951
     NickHassan 
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    Hi ,
    God will judge each PERSON according to what they have done.
    Rom2

    #735954
     terraricca 
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    the truth is that what ever we have done it was in and most with our flesh

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