November 7, 2018 at 9:09 am #835373
Nick: “is all about the eternal and creative Spirit of God everywhere, and working through human vessels.”
So are you saying the human Yeshua created everything before He was born? Sorry but your position is very confusing.November 7, 2018 at 9:14 am #835374
Jodi: “In the OT when the Father is giving prophecy about the coming Messiah He also speaks of Himself creating heaven and earth.”
There’s your first hint!November 7, 2018 at 9:26 am #835376
Jodi: “The Father created heaven and earth for the perfected human, the human of eternal life.”
Where is that in the scriptures? You understand that before Adam and Eve no human was created yet, right? So no human is eternal, they can be everlasting but to be eternal one must be God.
Jodi: “it is the resurrected Jesus who has been given rule and authority over all the earth, he is given this because he had been perfected through God’s Spirit. God’s Spirit created heaven and earth, and God’s Spirit created man and brought man into eternal life through perfecting the one servant chosen from among the people of the seed of David.”
So God’s Spirit created heaven and earth? So why does the Scripture say that Yeshua created heaven and earth? This is your second hint.
Are you saying that Yeshua had nothing to do with creation because He was not born yet? Please explain. And if you are not saying that but that He was the Creator then how could that be before He was born?
Both you and Nick are in the same tight spot.November 7, 2018 at 9:32 am #835377JodiParticipant
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Not sure what you are saying, did you read Isaiah 42?
Our heavenly Father says that He created the heavens and the earth, and man. In this chapter He speaks of the Christ. He speaks of Christ as NOT existing yet. Christ could not be the person who created heaven and earth, when the passage tells us clearly that his FATHER DID.
5 This is what God the LORD says— the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness;
“you” here is Jesus the servant who the LORD called into righteousness. The one that was called into righteousness DID not create the heavens and the earth, the LORD did.
VERY STRAIGHT FORWARD!!November 7, 2018 at 10:03 am #835378JodiParticipant
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There is no tight spot here, lol!
ME: “The Father created heaven and earth for the perfected human, the human of eternal life.”
YOU: Where is that in the scriptures? You understand that before Adam and Eve no human was created yet, right? So no human is eternal, they can be everlasting but to be eternal one must be God.
ME: There were no humans before Adam and Eve correct. Before Adam and Eve however God’s purpose and plan for creating heaven and earth was to bring humans into righteousness and eternal life. We are told that before time began God promised eternal life. How is it that we are able to have eternal life? It is through a HUMAN who was perfected through having been anointed with our Creator’s Spirit, and he died for our sins. Not only was eternal life planned but how we would obtain it was also all planned out before time began.
Dig4truth, is not our Creator all knowing? His word from the beginning was eternal life for humans, that which our Creator speaks, as we are told cannot be unbroken, it will occur. We are also told that because of this what He says in regards to the future because it is such a sure thing it is as though it already exists. We are also told in the OT that it is our Creator’s Spirit, His WISDOM that created heaven and earth.
Yes if you want to be technical our Creator is eternal and He gave Yeshua the Son of a human eternal life, where this Son of a human was born, died, and rose never able to die again. We too shall also receive eternal life. Being an eternal being, yes it is very different then being born and then receiving eternal life.
There is NO scripture that says that Yeshua created heaven and earth, we are told that the Almighty Eternal God created heaven and earth through and for the human who shed his blood and was given eternal life and then rulership over all the earth.
Dig4truth a father builds extra rooms in his house, he builds those rooms through his knowledge of the children he will have they don’t exist yet, and he builds these rooms for them. The rooms are built through and for these children who do not exist yet. Our Almighty Creator created heaven and earth through and for righteous human beings who would live for an eternity following His will.
Yeshua is the beginning the firstborn of the dead. We are told that our Almighty Creator established the END before He even brought forth Genesis, ALL things were created through and for Christ, the man that shed his blood and brought eternal life, which was God’s WORD before He brought forth Genesis.
Dig4truth we are told that Yeshua is still a human, we are told that a Son of a human sits right now at God’s right hand and he is coming to us in great power and glory.November 7, 2018 at 11:03 am #835379
Jodi: “Almighty Creator created heaven and earth through and for righteous human beings who would live for an eternity following His will.”
How did God create heaven and earth “through” a human when no human existed? Yep, tight spot!November 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm #835380NickHassanParticipant
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There is only one God and Jesus is His Son.
God is the Creator and all creation is by His Spirit.
Believe the words of Jesus Christ ‘By myself I can do nothing.’
‘Flesh contributes nothing’ but the language of God confuses the lost.November 7, 2018 at 1:54 pm #835383
Ok Nick, God had a Son, when a eagle has eaglets they are what… Eagles. When a cat has kittens they are what… Cats. When a bear has cubs they are what… Bears. When God has a Son He is what…
Why do you ignore the Scripture that explicitly says that Yeshua created everything, and by everything I mean everything.
Please answer the question as to why you ignore the declarative statement that Yeshua created everything. Why do you not believe the Scripture?November 7, 2018 at 2:03 pm #835384
Hey Nick and Jodi, can you deal with the Scripture that says Yeshua created everything? You both say that He didn’t, but Scripture says He did. In fact you both say that He didn’t exist before He was born. You need to defend your heretical position or just slip away.
If you say that the Spirit or the Father created everything then you are essentially saying that Yeshua is God, if that’s the case then congratulations!
Why do I feel that you won’t address the clear Scripture?November 7, 2018 at 2:50 pm #835386
They can’t answer you because they would have to change there doctrine that Jesus Christ the Messiah is just a man, like some of of the Gnostic believed you can see this by Google the Gnostic and Adoptionism. A doctrine in the first and second century. They (Jodi ,Gene and Nick) just don’t say that Jesus Christ the Messiah was adopted by God. But ought to believe that, according to there doctrine. Like the Gnostic belived in there false doctrine that Jesus Christ was Just a man. That’s really all they know about scriptures. They try to re-direct you else where and try to pull a mapojopo with you and try to led you off on other questions of theirs. Apparently they don’t believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah send by God, the only Begotten Son. God bless good luck with them.November 7, 2018 at 4:28 pm #835387NickHassanParticipant
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So the sons of God are gods?
Polytheism rules!November 8, 2018 at 1:16 am #835394
No Nick, not “sons of God” but “only begotten Son of God”. There are two words you would do well researching the meaning of; “only” and “begotten“.November 8, 2018 at 2:19 am #835395
Hi Nick Nick just because the Jewish people believe in one God, does’t mean we have to . For one Nick most are still liunder the law, the old covenant secondly they don’t accept the new covenant and see Jesus Christ as a prophet, just a man. But we have evidence in New Covenant that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and is the only Begotten Son, sent by His Father . Nick Jesus Christ is a God because His Father is. They seem to be a Family and not a Trinity, which we are a part of, after the resurrection in fullness before in part. But I take it, you know nothing about this. LaterNovember 8, 2018 at 2:43 am #835396
“He first finds his own brother Simon, and says unto him, ‘We have found the Messias,’ which is, being interpreted, the Christ [Messiah]. And he brought him to Jesus.”
The Samaritan woman who spoke with Jesus by Jacob’s Well understood the same concept:
“The woman says unto him, ‘I know that Messias comes, which is called Christ[Messiah]: when he is come, he will tell us all things.’ Jesus says unto her, ‘I that speak unto you am he.’”
Note also that Jesus admitted directly to her that He was the “Messias” as she said. Later she ran to the men and said “Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ [the Messiah]?” (John 4:29). In both John 1:41 and 4:25 messias is a Greek transliteration of mashiach (which in turn is translated into English). It is perfectly proper, therefore, to substitute the term “Messiah” every time “Christ” occurs in the New Testament with reference to Jesus as Messiah. This was the understanding of the people of Jesus’ time, and it was the understanding and intent of the biblical writers. LaterNovember 8, 2018 at 2:51 am #835397
it would be perfectly proper to understand the phrase “Jesus Christ” as “Jesus the Messiah” or “Jesus the Anointed” every time it occurs. And, when you consider that the personal name “Jesus” itself is Greek for Joshua, and Joshua means ”YHWH saves,” you have a powerful statement of fact just in the phrase “Jesus Christ.” It means literally “YHWH saves [through] the Anointed [One].” This fact is certainly true. The converse “Christ Jesus” can be understood as “the Anointed of YHWH saves.” These are simply what the terms and phrases mean. God accomplished this work of saving mankind through His anointed one, Jesus Christ, who performed it through His birth, life, crucifixion, death, and resurrection. Later
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