October 23, 2018 at 3:35 am #835066GeneBalthropParticipant
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Dig4ruth…….GOD WAS “IN” JESUS, That never made him a God, no more then it would make you a God if God who “is” spirit was “in” you. But GOD’S presence would be there, so Thomas finely got it, “MY lord “AND” GOD. If Thomas was meaning Jesus was God, he would have simply said my LORD GOD, he would not have added the word “and” in what he said. The apostles had to come to realize God the Father was indeed “in” Jesus just like Jesus said, but again that never made Jesus the God that was in him doing the works him. If Jesus was God, why would he need the Father to be “in” him in the first place and why would he need to be anointed with the spirit of God if he were already a God? Many have bought into many false teachings.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……..geneOctober 23, 2018 at 6:12 am #835067
Your the one that belive like the Gnostic. Gene for one you keep trying to prove from Hebrews 2:6-11is speaking that Jesus “is just a man” it’s apparent you don’t have a clue what the phrase “the son of man” or “Jesus” mean. That’s why I never responded to your post on this subject. To deny all other scriptures that tell us what the phrase “the son of man” and Jesus mean’s is right out ignoring the Bible as a whole. Apparently your either blinded or out right trying to teach false doctrine. I think if you really wanted to know the meaning of these phrases you would search the Scriptures which apparently you haven’t. And you should check out how some of the Gnostic belived the same thing as you “Jesus is just a man” and at His baptismal God adopted Him. You can look up Adoptionism and the Gnostic. Or your so blinded that you just can’t search scriptures and let them show you what they want . Gene you have to have a open mind to God’s Word.
LaterOctober 23, 2018 at 6:15 am #835068
Gene it’s apparent there’s no talking to you for these reasons. ByeOctober 23, 2018 at 10:01 am #835070
When you interpret a passage and say it is saying pre-existence you destroy the significance of what is actually being said. You are not only distracting people away from what is our unity of faith suppose to be in, but you are leading people away from the actual message that is revealing something profound.October 23, 2018 at 10:13 am #835071t8Participant
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Hi Dig, you said:
Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus *said to him
Rather than craft a post about this, I poinyvyoubto the following page.October 23, 2018 at 10:53 am #835072
What do you think about this scripture? Do you think He Jesus had the glory before the world was
Yes or noJohn 17:5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.October 23, 2018 at 11:05 am #835073
You said: You are not only distracting people away from what is our unity of faith
If you think that our unity of faith is making out that Jesus Christ ” is just a man” then you have a whole lot to learn. LaterOctober 23, 2018 at 11:25 am #835074
The man JESUS OF NAZARETH did not exist before the earth from which man was partly created did.
But the Spirit of Christ did.
The Word.October 23, 2018 at 11:46 am #835075Dig4truthParticipant
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Anthony, I share your frustration. With all the scriptural evidence to support Yeshua’s deity you have to try very hard to ignore it. To suggest as Gene has that a Jewish believer in the first century would call Someone “God” goes against all credulity. Their main quote was the Shama which ends with “the Lord (God) is one”. No Hebrew believer at that time would believe in more than one God and no believer would call a man God! It would not matter how perfect he was.
Also, to suggest that Yeshua would accept the praise of God for Himself if He were not deity would be a sin since God does not share His glory with another. And on and on it goes but as you have seen, to no avail.October 23, 2018 at 12:01 pm #835076
I quess you answered my question.
Do you think He Jesus had the glory before the world was
Yes or noJohn 17:5And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. LaterOctober 23, 2018 at 12:05 pm #835078
Nick the scriptures say so. So it’s a NO for you. How can you so easily deny that scripture. He either had the glory before the world was or He didn’t , this scripture say He did. LaterOctober 23, 2018 at 12:12 pm #835079
Your Father is just in yourself and your own understanding it seems.
If that is your foundation you have become unteachable.
The Spirit teaches the humble servants of God.October 23, 2018 at 2:14 pm #835081t8Participant
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Nick doesn’t do yes / no questions because he is knows it requires a level of honesty that would condemn his own teaching. Perhaps Nick could explain his position if somehow the scripture regarding letting your yes be yes does not apply to him.October 23, 2018 at 2:34 pm #835082
Pilate therefore entered again into the praetorium, and summoned Jesus, and said to him
’You are the king of the Jews?’
’Are you saying this of your own initiative, or did others tell you about me?’
‘I am not a Jew am I.? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered you up to me; what have you done?’
‘My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom was of this world my servants would be fighting,
that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is my kingdom in not of this realm’
Pilate therefore said to him
‘So you are a king then?’
‘You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world,
to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.’
Accuser of the brethren, how many charges will you lay against our Master?
’October 23, 2018 at 3:41 pm #835083
Your FAITH, not your Father, the last post from me to you should read.
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