The Light

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  • #54238
     WorshippingJesus 
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    Quote (t8 @ May 31 2007,12:28)
    All light comes from something.

    The light we see in the day comes from our sun. The light at night also comes from our sun and other suns too. We use that light as we see fit.

    But the light has an origin.

    God is the origin of all (good).


    t8

    So would you say “God is not the light”?

    ???

    #54247
     NickHassan 
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    Hi W,
    More than that.
    James 1:17
    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

    #59141
     NickHassan 
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    For kj

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     Mr. Steve 
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    John 1:4 states, “In him was life and the life was the light of men.” Jesus stated that as the Father has life in himself, so has he also “given” to the Son to have life in himself. Christ also said he was the light of the world. What we see here is the truth again that the Light originates from the Father and is given to the Son. It did not originate with Christ. Christ was given the Light because he pleased the Father in all things.

    #59144
     NickHassan 
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    True

    #77888
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    The Father of lights came to the earth in the vessel of His Son
    to draw men from the darkness into the light.
    The darkness cannot overcome it.

    #82631
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Christ was filled with light at prayer.
    Matthew 17:2
    And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

    So should we be
    Luke 11:36
    If thy whole body therefore be full of light, having no part dark, the whole shall be full of light, as when the bright shining of a candle doth give thee light.

    But does anyone yet glow in the dark?

    #83408
     Lightenup 
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    Hello all,
    I have posted this in pre-existence but I think that it also belongs here:

    I grew up as a trinitarian and defended the doctrine when challenged. Then one day I was challenged with the verse Col 1:15-16

    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    NASU

    I asked God to show me what that term meant “firstborn of all creation.” I surrendered my trinitarian claims to whatever God would show me and it was like I started to read the Bible all new with a different perspective. Well, after about a month of searching scripture and looking for my answer I heard a voice speak in my left ear. Just before I heard that voice, I was reviewing with my son what happened on each day of creation because I was homeschooling him and the kindergarten curriculum was centered around the seven days of creation. I had just asked my son this question, “What happened on day one?” My son responded by saying “God said let there be light” and that is when the voice spoke to me and said “You are the light of the world”.

    Now remember that I was meditating on what the “firstborn of all creation” meant for the past month and fervently, and excitedly reading scripture with a whole new perspective. When I asked my son that question I was totally focused on his schooling. I know that voice was not from me without a doubt. Anyway, when I heard the voice say that I immediately thought of Jesus being the Light of the World and that “Let there be light” was God's birthing of His Son by His word as the begotten God. So, I knew that I had to test that and I think about it everyday since. I believe that the firstborn of all creation refers to the light of day one as the begotten God, the Radiant Son of God.

    Here are some verses about Jesus being the Light:
    John 1:1-10
    2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
    6 The Witness John
    There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
    9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.
    NASU

    Rev 21:22-24
    23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
    NASU

    John 8:12

    Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, ” I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
    NASU

    So, I remain amazed at the simplicity of all of this.

    For God's glory, K

    #83412
     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,
    “IN HIM was life and the life was the LIGHT of all men..”

    So he was not that which was IN HIM.

    #83423
     seek and you will find 
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    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 08 2008,23:43)
    Hello all,
    I have posted this in pre-existence but I think that it also belongs here:

    I grew up as a trinitarian and defended the doctrine when challenged.  Then one day I was challenged with the verse  Col 1:15-16

    15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    NASU

    I asked God to show me what that term meant “firstborn of all creation.” I surrendered my trinitarian claims to whatever God would show me and it was like I started to read the Bible all new with a different perspective.  Well, after about a month of searching scripture and looking for my answer I heard a voice speak in my left ear. Just before I heard that voice, I was reviewing with my son what happened on each day of creation because I was homeschooling him and the kindergarten curriculum was centered around the seven days of creation. I had just asked my son this question, “What happened on day one?”  My son responded by saying “God said let there be light” and that is when the voice spoke to me and said “You are the light of the world”.

    Now remember that I was meditating on what the “firstborn of all creation” meant for the past month and fervently, and excitedly reading scripture with a whole new perspective.  When I asked my son that question I was totally focused on his schooling.  I know that voice was not from me without a doubt.  Anyway, when I heard the voice say that I immediately thought of Jesus being the Light of the World and that “Let there be light” was God's birthing of His Son by His word as the begotten God.  So, I knew that I had to test that and I think about it everyday since.  I believe that the firstborn of all creation refers to the light of day one as the begotten God, the Radiant Son of God.

    Here are some verses about Jesus being the Light:
    John 1:1-10
    2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
    6 The Witness John
    There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
    9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.
    NASU

    Rev 21:22-24
    23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
    NASU

    John 8:12

    Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, ” I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”
    NASU

    So, I remain amazed at the simplicity of all of this.

    For God's glory, K


    I find it amazing that most of us had to struggle with the preexsisting of Jesus. When a J.W. came to our Home and talked with us about that subject I told them no way. It took me months, but God put Co. 1;15-18 and Rev.3:14 in front of my nose. Until finally I excepted it. God is so great, how He gets us to believe something at times. That to shows me how He has called me out of this world.
    Peace and Love Mrs.

    #83478
     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,
    God is the light Source.

    James 1:17
    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

    #83481
     Lightenup 
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    Hi Nick,

    You write:
    God is the light Source.

    I write:
    I agree with you on that Nick. God definetely IS the light source. He is the Father of lights and He is the Father of Jesus who, as it is written, is the Light.

    John 8:12

    Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, ” I am the Light of the world;
    NASU

    John 9:5-6
    5 “While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world.”
    NASU

    John 1:9-10

    9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
    NASU

    So you see that Jesus is the Light in the above verses, it is my opinion that He is even the “Light” that was brought into existence on day one of creation. I know that we differ on this. However, when I asked God to show me what “firstborn” meant from Col. 1:15,

    (15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
    NASU)

    during that first month of searching scriptures and listening to the Holy Spirit, He, the best I could tell, tied it into His first words of the Bible “Let there be Light.” I have extrapolated on that experience before and if anyone would like to know what happened, just ask. Nick, that month changed me from a trinitarian to an understanding that Jesus was actually a Son of God from the beginning and He had a beginning. He was actually born of God before the foundation of the world, as the begotten God and later in Bethlehem, He was born of woman, as a man. Of course, this is my understanding and I do not want to appear dogmatic because I am not God and our thoughts are not necessarily His thoughts. It is possible for Him to give us understanding, tho.

    Nick, I know that you did not go through that month of searching with me as I did and can't accept the understanding I got just because I told you about it. But it changed my spiritual life like nothing else. And it has been quite an adventure since, sometimes troubling when I look at some trinitarian's ideas and accusations but not troubling as I look back to God's word.

    I appreciate you thoughts.

    #83483
     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,
    Jn1
    9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

    10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

    11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

    LIGHT

    Number 5457
    Transliteration:
    phos {foce}
    Word Origin:
    from an obsolete phao (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays, cf 5316, 5346)
    TDNT:
    9:310,1293
    Part of Speech:
    noun neuter
    Usage in the KJV:
    light 68, fire 2

    Total: 70
    Definition:
    light
    the light
    emitted by a lamp
    a heavenly light such as surrounds angels when they appear on earth
    anything emitting light
    a star
    fire because it is light and sheds light
    a lamp or torch
    light, i.e brightness
    of a lamp
    metaph.
    God is light because light has the extremely delicate, subtle, pure, brilliant quality
    of truth and its knowledge, together with the spiritual purity associated with it
    that which is exposed to the view of all, openly, publicly
    reason, mind
    the power of understanding esp. moral and spiritual truth For Synonyms see entry 5817

    So a lamp is a light source and Christ was that Lamp showing the light of God.

    #83485
     Lightenup 
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    I agree Nick,
    Jesus is the Light, which came into the world to show us the way to God and the truth of God and to change us from having a life filled with darkness to a spiritual life filled with the light He emits.

    John 14:6
    6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
    NASU

    #83486
     NickHassan 
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    Hi LU,
    If we look at the John scripture is Jesus the light that lightens EVERY MAN?
    Were the chosen people his people or the people of God?

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