The False “Church System” Deception

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     t8 
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    it is yes

    Okay, so Jesus taught the crowds according to you now. And I said that Jesus taught the crowds and now you agree when initially you seem to disagree. Yet somehow I am still wrong about this. Is this a mystery of some kind or is there a simple explanation to your view?

    #818443
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    terra,

    Yes Jesus says in vs 23 the hour cometh and now is.

    So that time is now! Personally I rarely attend church and don’t care if others do or not.I know many condemn that way of thinking,but church or the church system is taught in the bible since everyone who wrote the bible belonged to a church,sect or religious group of some form.

    Walk into any church in your town and ask them if they worship God in spirit and truth and I doubt you get too many”no” answers.

    Andrew

    I left organized religion about 40 years ago ,never went back

    Hi Pierre,

    Which ‘organized religion’ did you leave?

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    God bless
    Ed J

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    Edj

    catholic/jw/the church of God H Armstrong/7 days adventist /Mennonites/ Mormons/some jewish /Billy Graham /

    all sects for the money

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    t8
    Okay, so Jesus taught the crowds according to you now. And I said that Jesus taught the crowds and now you agree when initially you seem to disagree. Yet somehow I am still wrong about this. Is this a mystery of some kind or is there a simple explanation to your view?
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    per ups one day you will see further ,with the eyes of the spirit ,

    just remember what I said ,

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    Andrew

    I left organized religion about 40 years ago ,never went back

    Hi Pierre,

    Which ‘organized religion’ did you leave?

    Edj

    catholic/jw/the church of God H Armstrong/7 days adventist /Mennonites/ Mormons/some jewish /Billy Graham /

    all sects for the money

    Hi Pierre,

    Are you suggesting that at one time you were a member of all those organized religions ???
    I don’t believe you – your answer is vague and a clear cut dodge. And don’t cry this is off topic
    because you freely offered up this information in the first place. If I say that I had friends
    one of which was a homosexual, it would NOT AT ALL be out of bounds for you ask me if I was one.

    So again I repeat my question, and this time please answer:

    Which SPECIFIC ‘religious organization’ were you affiliated with?

    affiliated (adjective)
    being in close formal or informal association with

    Was it the “JW’s”?

    #818454
     Ed J 
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    Okay, clear this up for me then. Did Jesus teach the crowds?

    Yes / No / I don’t know.

    Let your yes be yes and no be no.

    if i answer yes you will have the wrong conclusion if i say No you have to argue on the very word “teaching” its real meaning and truth

    so this is why I give you my explanation and the scriptures to be clear in my understanding of what Jesus said /teach so one more time I cannot answer your question with a yes or NO answer

    Hi T8,

    Here we see the same pattern. When one is pressed as to what
    they believe or how those beliefs were derived, they go vague.

    We seen it when you pressed Gene Balthrop and again with Nick Hassan.
    We also seen it when I pressed Miia. And now we see it in Pierre.

    I did not press for consequences of Miia, because I
    know that I can press her to get the answers.
    Banishment does not help anyone grow.

    I’m all for pressing to get answers, remember “The Hot Seat” was my idea.
    What you need here is a Category which lists refuted beliefs, rather then banishment.
    Then when the same old tired beliefs are propagated time and time again one need only to provide
    the link to “The Hot Seat” to again show it was refuted instead of having refute it again and again and again.

    Bodhitharta was a master at this: dodging the previous conversation by starting new
    threads which propagate the same old tired beliefs (that were previously refuted)
    My forum (Holy City Bible Code) is still too small for these added features

    That is just my opinion brother. ………………Ed J

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    Edj

    what is it to you about my private life ?

    Was it the “JW’s”? ;Jehovah witness

    I am born and a baptized catholic ,my godmother was a nun and my hunt ,

    I also study buddhism /and more

    this is all you going to get of me ;

    #818457
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    Hi Pierre,

    Thank you! Your beliefs are very similar to that of the JW’s:

    I have “Bible Studied” with ‘Jehovah Witnesses’ on at least three occasions.
    I have also read many of their – in house – study guides. That is how
    I have become familiar with much of their doctrinal teachings.

    Therefore I more specifically ask:
    What association did you have with members of the Jehovah Witnesses?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #818459
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    Edj

    I have been listed as their black sheep in the block .

    and they make sure no JW rings on my door

     

    I have been always polite so they did as well ,but when we take our bibles out then the real things are shown ,my questions don’t find a answer

    I have no relationship with religion sect groups or other only the bible

    #818462
     t8 
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    per ups one day you will see further ,with the eyes of the spirit ,

    just remember what I said ,

    Did you not challenge me when I said that Jesus taught the crowds. And then did you not decide to avoid answering yes to the question “Did Jesus teach the crowds”. Then did you not eventually realise that you had to say yes because I clearly spelled it out to you that Jesus taught the crowds by quoting a verse that said that very thing. Then did you not say that I was still wrong. And did you not say that I misunderstand you now. Did you not infer that I need the the eyes of the spirit.

    Terr, what a joke. Be honest man. Our lives are too short to play mind games and use methods of deception. Be honest and man up to your lack. Face it and be a better person. Learn when you are rebuked or showed the truth. Why fight against the very thing that is designed to improve you as a man of God? Never deny the truth. Be a servant of it. Do not be its master or you will become the truth in your own eyes and deceive yourself.

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    t8
    I don’t play games life is to short ,but you see things that I today do not see as it is written but as it is understood through the entire scriptures some call it the “spirit of scriptures”

    this is why I said per ups you also will see things and understand them through the “spirit of the scriptures ”

    I have shown you two scriptures one you provided and one i provided ;but you want to cancel one out ,I also ask you to respond to my scriptures that also marks a prophecy of old ,

    but keep ignoring those questions ;and come back to your verse ;and on the base of what is written force me to answer your question ;

    but i do not see the scriptures like you do and that is my point ;the scriptures are not one verse but the word of God’s truth ,

    if you are so sure that the verse you like to promote as being prove that Jesus was teaching the crowd ;please tell me what did he teach them ?

    what was his teachings that the crowds understood ? I do not argue that Jesus talked to the people /crowds

    now if you were in the crowd of Jesus and the only thing you have learned from him is that he is a good talker and a good story teller are you sure you have been thought by him or just spooking to ?

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     Ed J 
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    t8
    if you are so sure that the verse you like to promote as being prove that (1)Jesus was teaching the crowd ;please tell me what did he teach them ?

    (2)what was his teachings that the crowds understood ?

    Hi Pierre,

    1) Jesus was teaching the crowd that if they obeyed his words the Kingdom of God would be given to them.

    2) Objection, that question calls for speculation.

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    God bless
    Ed J

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    Edj

    why do you not show scriptures ?

    2a) no speculation for you just as I have the gospels so tell out of the gospels what Jesus teaches that was understood from the crowd ?

    and also explain why it says that Jesus never spooked to the crowds without parables ,just curious to know

    #818471
     Ed J 
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    t8
    if you are so sure that the verse you like to promote as being prove that Jesus was teaching the crowd ;please tell me what did he teach them ?

    Hi Pierre,

    Jesus was teaching the crowd that if they obeyed his words the Kingdom of God would be given to them.

    Edj

    why do you not show scriptures ?

    OK

    “the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63)

    #818472
     terraricca 
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    Edj
    OK

    “the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63)

    this scriptures does not change a thing of what i said ,

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