The False “Church System” Deception

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  • #818065
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    under who’s authority (Christ?) did you identify yourself has being a true

    I never claimed I was the light. I quoted Jesus Christ’s own words about the subject. If you apply his words to me that is fine. But I didn’t claim it myself.

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    So today, according to you, God’s people are not the light? That is sad.

    God is light, we know that. His light radiates through his son who is the light. Then we who are of God are suppose to be like Jesus as sons and also carry that light.

    But according to you, they do not. Only the words of Jesus and the Apostles are light now according to you.

    Your teaching on this is pretty dark you have to admit, but I will dig a little deeper for your sake and post again on this subject.

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    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light

    Terr, you are wrong about God’s people not being the light and only the message is now.

    Paul says in Philippians 2:15:
    that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world.

    Ephesians 5:8
    For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light

    Matthew 5:16
    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

    Terr, you are easy to predict. You just oppose what others say most of the time. However, this gets you into trouble because people do speak the truth at times. You then find yourself opposing those truths because you stubbornly stick to your original stance. Did you not know that we should always be learning. It is the self-proclaimed wise who think they are always right and change not. Why follow that example? It won’t give you reward, so not a good path to go down my friend. Humility will help you learn. Pride will only end in a fall.

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    ho man,you really misinterpret my words , I will never call you or anyone else the sourse of the light for this is a lie ,Christ was the light according to John 1;

    the apostles are those that have described the light to all of us and if we want to join that light we can by doing what the light did ,

    you seem to purposely misinterpret my words ,I hope I am wrong ,God knows

    your scriptures are confirming what i say about the light

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    ho man,you really misinterpret my words ,

    It is straight forward what you said:

    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light

    You acknowledged that the apostles became the light, but after they passed on, it was only their words. This is what you said and I proved you wrong. Why not just admit it. It takes humility and honesty to admit it.

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    no, you did not prove me wrong unless you change the gospels ,(teachings of Christ)

    Jesus blessed those that will believe in the message of his apostles ,end of story ;John17

    are you now saying that there are others that are the light ? with what gospel ?

    if we carry the gospels (scriptures) are we the origin of it or only the carriers if we apply the content of the scriptures are we the originator of the light ? no

    we would become the carrier of the light by example of the application of that light ,and so we would reflect God/Jesus light through us carriers ,

    Matthew 5:16
    In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven

    here again the light comes from the message WE MAKE THAT LIGHT OURS  and then by doing so we GLORIFY OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN ,for God is the origin of that light ,we are the carriers

     

     

    Ephesians 5:8
    For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light

    read this scripture very slowly ;before in darkness then light IN THE LORD  and then ;LIVE AS CHILDREN OF LIGHT ”

    you see we are not the origin of the light only carriers

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    no, you did not prove me wrong unless you change the gospels ,(teachings of Christ)

    So you are sticking with this being correct, even though it contradicts scripture?

    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light

    Look if you cannot even be honest with yourself, then how are you going to improve? It means you have stopped running the race to win right? Might as well walk of the race track then.

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    you see we are not the origin of the light only carriers

    I never said that did I. You are detracting from your own teaching that says that the light died with the Apostles and was only present in their words.

    Be honest or live a delusion. They are your choices.

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    you again don’t seem to understand what i said ,per ups it is me that does not tells it rightly ,

    Jesus was the light of men; scriptures says this ,

    but scriptures does not say his apostles are the light ,  but scriptures says that Jesus teach his apostles to become a light in this world ,so what was that light that it could be given and received ,or even lost and denied ,

    light = truth

    but scriptures says that all truth come from God,and was given to Jesus to be given to whom he chose ,

    so no men can claim that he is the truth/light not even Jesus for he himself claim that what says is what he heard his father say, he also say the same thing in revelation 1,

    so as i understand it ,God give the truth/light to his son ; his son give it to his disciples and his disciples put it in written words ,for the OT scrolls were already written but not the true/light understanding about the son,

     

    so since the apostles written letters and gospel what tells all about the light /truth that came into the world no one can claim that the truth /light comes from him ,

    so after the apostles we are all carriers of the truth/light even if we have a bible and do not believe in it ,what makes our soul shine is our faith in what as been written about that light/truth in this way we have changed our ways and so are light is the reflection of God’s light/truth for that light is a life given light/truth,

    Jesus said “MY WORD ARE LIVING SPIRITS”

     

    the reason that i claim that the light/truth as stopped coming when the apostles died it is that nothing so far as come to extend it ,it seem that all we have to know to be saved has been written ,

    speculation are not truths/lights nor are opinions ,all what i have said is written in the scriptures i agree i use my own words but the truth remains true

     

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    Terr, to be clear, all light comes from God. And beings that are one with God will have that light in them and shine it out. That includes Jesus, Apostles, and all who are one with God thereafter and today.

    But you still said this which is technically wrong. You should admit it is wrong and say that you have changed your mind, or that you didn’t intend to say it, rather you made a mistake because you meant something else. You said:

    the apostles lived with Jesus and Jesus was the light ,only after he went up,they (apostles ) became the light and when they left it was their message that became the light

    In fact on closer inspection, you say that the apostles are light, but only there words once they passed away. If you can admit this is wrong, then we can move on. If not, then I will press this till I get a fair outcome.

     

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    I said exacly what scriptures said ,I don’t think i said the apostles are light but “THEY BECAME THE LIGHT ” meaning they received the light from Jesus their Lord and produce the fruits of that light (shine)

    anyone else after their dead did received the light by listening to the message from the apostles even today ,

    now if I am wrong show me scriptures on my wrong views

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    What you actually said was the apostles were the light and then their words became the light. Anyone reading that would assume as I did that somehow the best had passed on and now us unfortunate people could not possess that light, but was at least in the word they left. Now you are saying something different, which is more akin to what I believe. Should I just assume that you didn’t make yourself clear enough and move on? Or did you change your mind?

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    no,I did not change my mind this is what I have always believed ,for the parables of Jesus back me up on this ,

    per ups I could not express my self good enough ,God ‘s knows

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    So you still believe that the Apostles were light and then their words were light after they passed away?

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    yes ,because they are the only ones that received the light from Christ and published it to the rest of the world event if it was costing their lives ,like Jesus did ,

    and it was their message that Jesus prayed for , that their message would be believed without seeing him nor the miracles he did ,that was also the message he give to Thomas ,

    and it was that message that was spread through the known world at the time of Paul (Paul say so)  as a witness ,not to convert the world ,just be a witness

    this also has been done for the past 400 years now

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