The Creations of Genesis 1 & 2 and John 1

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  • #832352
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Nick,

    You wrote:

    You say

    ‘Anointed by God means called for a special purpose by God’

    Any scriptural evidence for this statement?

    When the prophets and kings were anointed was this just a calling?

    Me:

    https://www.compellingtruth.org/anointed.html

    From the Author:

     

    In the New Testament, we are told God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor” (Luke 4:18). Acts 10:38 adds, “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power.” Acts 4:26-27 calls Jesus God’s Anointed. This was a term used to emphasize Jesus as the chosen one of God.

     

    John 3:16 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

     

     

     

    https://www.christianity.com/jesus/is-jesus-god/names-of-jesus/what-does-the-name-jesus-mean.html

     

    From the author:

    The name Jesus means “Savior.” It is the same name as Joshua in the Old Testament. It is given to our Lord because “He saves His people from their sins.”

    What of the word Christ? It also comes to the English-speaking world from Middle English, derived from the Latin Christus, in turn from the Greek Christos, which meant “the Anointed”—a noun made from the past participle of the Greek verb “to anoint”.

     

    Matt 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

     

    The Messiah was chosen or anointed before the foundations of the earth. That is why from his birth he is called Jesus (savior) Christ (anointed or chosen), just like we who are of his body were chosen before the foundation of the earth.

     

    Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 4 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    Me:

     

    Like us, Christ was chosen or anointed before the foundation of the earth. We did not exist then, but in the mind of God, Christ and us existed then for he knew us before we were born.

    Christ was anointed in the mind of God to be the savior of mankind from eternity.  He also was anointed afterward in Jordan to be able to do the work of God with power.

    #832354
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    Hi Gene,

    2 TIM 2.11,

    It is a faithful saying: for if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

    If we suffer we shall also reign with him: if we deny him he also will deny us:

    if we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself

    Rev 20.4

    ..and they lived and reigned with Christ for 1000 years

     

    And the share of rulership is shown in Lk 19.12f

     

    Time you started believing in the truth revealed in parables, like Lk 16.19f

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    You follow men who claim a PREANOINTING for Jesus?

    Jesus Christ means the anointed Jesus and the Holy Spirit came down on him at the Jordan.

     

    #832356
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    Hi Gene,

    You wrote:

    TC….IF YOU READ Issiah where that was quoted from , you will find it was a sign to the King of Judah, to show the king that God was with him, to deliever them from the invading armies.

    The only way GOD was with us was he through the anointing spirit JESUS recieved at the Jordan river, now that Spirit which was GOD M WAS FROM ETERNITY.

    Me: Christ was the anointed or chosen one from eternity before he was born and existed.  He was also anointed with the power of the holy spirit in the Jordan River.

     

    Jesus was not born with that anointing spirit, he recieved it when he was around thirty years old. That’s why you can find not miracles done in his life until after he recieved it.

    Me:

    True, I neve said otherwise.

    You:

    Jesus did not preexist his berth on this earth. He was prophesied to be born from the loins of king David. His linage is given, and it does not go to eternity but from Adam. He was the prophecied seed of Abharam, just as Paul said. Even Moses said that God would raise up from the tribes of Israel a prophet like him. There is no mention of God raising up any preexisting being of any kind.

    The man Jesus did not come from eternity, but from the “loins of king David” Just as scripture says.

    Me:

    True, I never said otherwise.  I said in the mind of God, Christ existent from eternity, just like we did.  This is God’s reality.  But in our reality, Christ did not exist until around 2,000 years ago.

    You:

    Remember what it says, We have one God and one mediator between GOD and man (THE MAN JESUS THE CHRIST)
    and again, God was “in” Christ Jesus, reconciling the world unto himself.

    The anointing spirit in the Man Jesus, which was God was indeed was from eternity, but not the MAN JESUS.

    Me:

    True, I never said otherwise.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    SENT does not mean ANOINTED.

     

    #832359
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Nick,

    Those in Christ are raised in the first resurrection.

    1000 years later the rest of humanity is raised to face the sheep and goat judgement.

    This is a judgement of works all all that matters is how they treated those in Jesus Christ to live or die.

     

     

    Those in Christ face the tribunal of Christ. 2cor 5.10.

    Ths is expanded in Matt 25.14, the parable of the talents.

    A judgement of reward.

    Me:

    1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    Judgment is now for the saints of God.

     

    Those in Christ face the tribunal of Christ. 2cor 5.10.

    Ths is expanded in Matt 25.14, the parable of the talents.

    A judgement of reward.

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    Hi TC,

    Yes the work of sanctification is now for those in Christ. Suffering is to brings change.

    There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

    They do not come under judgement but have passed over from death to life.

    #832361
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    God is merciful and wants everyone to be saved.

    So those who give his brothers even a cup of water because they belong to him will not lose their reward.

    #832362
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    CALLED does not mean ANOINTED.

     

    #832363
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    CHOSEN does not mean ANOINTED.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    FOREKNOWN does not mean ANOINTED.

    #832365
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Do you have any real evidence for mistranslation of judgement and condemnation?

    #832366
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    PREORDAINED does not mean ANOINTED.

    #832367
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Nick,

     

    You wrote:

     

    Called does not mean anointed

    Chosen does not mean anointed

    Foreknown does not mean anointed.

     

    Me:

     

    This is what you think, not what you have proven.

     

    When one is anointed or consecrated by God, he is called and chosen by God for a particular purpose. God foreknew who would be anointed in real time.

     

    Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

     

    Me:

     

    Christ is the most powerful entity below God Almighty. The oil here is the holy spirit. This anointing was done in the mind of God and preordained before Christ came into existence and then glorified. Notice “hath anointed” in verse 7. He was anointed to be salvation from eternity The anointing in the Jordan River was a different anointing, that of being able to do the work of God with power and miracles. God can anoint same person a thousand times for different reasons if he wanted to.

     

    http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4886.htm

     

    Hebrew Definition:
    to smear, anoint
    NASB Translation
    anoint (21), anointed (42), anointing (1), oil (1), painting (1), spread (4).

     

    Greek definition:

    1. chrió

    Short Definition: I anoint
    Definition: I anoint, consecrate by anointing.

     

     

    Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

     

    Me:

     

    This anoiting was done before the Jordan River. The name Jesus Christ means salvation from God’s anointed.  This was his birth name.

    The whole point of all this was to dispute the notion of the Trinitarians that John 17:5 proves that Christ preexisted as God. . So if you prefer to use preordained instead of anointed, then fine.

     

    Since anointed is an English word, we can find the definition in most dictionaries.

     

    Cambridge dictionary

    to put water or oil on someone in a religious ceremony:

    The archbishop was anointed in a ceremony at the cathedral.

    Anoint also means to choose someone or something for a particular job or purpose; designate:

     

    #832368
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Nick,

    You wrote:

    PREORDAINED does not mean ANOINTED.

    Me:

    Yes, Ok.  But God always thinks before he does something.  Sometimes anointing is preordained–sometimes not.  But God does not do anything rashly without thinking or planning.

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