The Creations of Genesis 1 & 2 and John 1

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     Truthcomber 
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    He All,

    Hi All,

    1 Tim 6:13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he (Christ) shall shew, who (our heavenly father) is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who (our heavenly father below in 1 Cor 15:28) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

    1 Cor 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

    Me: 1 Cor 15:28 corresponds with 1 Tim 6:13. Only our heavenly father has immortality. Immortality means no beginning and no end. Only the father had no beginning.

    All comments in the parentheses are mine.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    TC….very good posts brother.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #833560
     Truthcomber 
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    Thank You…Let God be with all of us granting understanding.

    #833725
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi Anthony:
    You: Hi truthcomber I just don’t believe that Jesus Christ come back to earth where He was created. I don’t believe that Jesus was created. God bless.

    Me:
    I will transfer this question to the thread where it is more appropriate forum:
    The Creations of Genesis 1 & 2 and John 1
    Please initiate your evidence. We can go verse by verse.

    #833796
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi All,

     

    1 Tim 3:13 (KJV) For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    Me: Click on the link below. Then click on ‘3739” there is no word “God” there as a definition like there is in the king James version above. Thus, Verse 16 is referring its antecedent in verse 13, the Messiah, and not to God Almighty.
    https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_timothy/3-16.htm

    1 Tim 3:13 (NASB) For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a high standing and great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus…16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who (Christ) was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

    Emphasis in the parenthesis is mine.

    John 3: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    A good article on this:

    1 Timothy 3:16

     

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    Hi All,

     

    Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

    Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

    Me: Christ had God as his only progenitor in the spirit. What does ‘son” mean?

    1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.

    Me: Being born of “incorruptible seed” or the spirit of God from the Word of God that was the spirit mind in Christ. The spirit mind of Christ is how God expresses himself in Spirit. It is the express image of God’s mind. Click on the link below. Click on 5481 above “exact expression”:

    5481 xaraktḗr – properly, an engraving; (figuratively) an exact impression (likeness) which also reflects inner character.
    [5481 /xaraktḗr was originally a tool (used for engraving) and then came to mean “a die” (“mould”). Finally it stood for a stamp or impress used on a coin or seal (see H, 368). In each case, the stamp conveyed the reality behind the image.]

    John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen (perceived) him.

    https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/csd/onlineforms/cslmvr202.pdf

    Me: Click on the above link. Then click on 5287 above “substance”.

    Short Definition: assurance, substance, reality

    Me: The Word was not the son of God. The Word or expression of God bonded as one with the seed (offspring of the human mind of David) and became “the son of God”. The only spirit in the Messiah was the holy spirit from birth. Thus, Christ was the only begotten son of God.

    New American Standard Bible
    Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

    John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen (perceived) me hath seen (perceived) the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

    Me: The Messiah is in the visible image of the seed of David. The seed of David is of the human mind descended from David. God gives every seed a body. Christ has only one spirit, the holy spirit (Eph 4:4). So, the holy spirit joins the human mind of Christ with the spirit mind of Christ. When Christ was born, he did not inherit sin, because his only spirit was the holy spirit. When we die, we will have only one spirit, the holy spirit. So, God became one with man, and now man becomes one with God through Christ (1 Cor 15:21).  

    1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ (expression or express image of God) is come in the flesh is of God:

    John 1:14 And the Word was made  (became one with) flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    New American Standard Bible
    Isa 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD (Yahweh), And there is no savior besides Me.

    Me: The Word became one with flesh as the only begotten son of God. There is only one son of God that is born of God that is above the angels.

    Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    Me: The Word of God is God (John 1:1) or the expression of God.

    Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    Me: The spirit of his son is the holy spirit.

    John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet _____; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

    Me: The holy spirit with the human heart and mind of Christ was given from Pentecost onward.

    Ezk 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

    Me: This is the human heart of Christ and the spirit of God. We are born from above with a spirit mind that Adam lost when he disobeyed God. Thus, we who are born again and baptized in the spirit have a spirit mind of God and a human heart of Christ in our human minds.

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    All words or phrases in the quotation marks in  the above post are mine.

    #834523
     Truthcomber 
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    Hi All,

    To say that Christ did not have the spirit of God until Jordan and that John the Baptist did at birth is complete folly and shows a lack of understanding of who the Messiah is and the true sacrifice that is of God through man.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    TC…..If you can’t see Jesus as described in HEB 2:6-11, YOU SIMPLY DON’T SEE THE REAL “ANOINTED” MAN JESUS.

    MYSTERY RELIGION HAS INFECTED MANY DECIEVED PEOPLE.  You are taking the path of those “ANTICHRISTS,” WHO have created  A DEFERENT Jesus then scripture shows.  If you can’t see Jesus as a son of man, who had to recieve an anointing to become the messiah,  you simply don’t see him.  Moving Jesus away from  his human identity is denying who he realy was. Scriptures says over 80 times he was a son of man,  but you deny that.

    Are we to listen to such non sense?

     

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

     

     

     

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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    No, Gene,

    1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    Me: It is you that denies the son of God.  How disgraceful!  The Messiah was God and man in the flesh.  He is God in his spirit mind and man in his human mind.  We are of God in our born again spirit mind and man in the human heart of Christ, born of the seed of David.  I have explained that above.  You and Jodi have denigrated the son of God, making him less than John the Baptist.  You say Christ did not have the spirit of God until Jordan.  You say that he his flesh and bone and not in as glorious state as even the angels are.  At least Anthony did not say this.

    #834527
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    The Messiah is the son of God–around forty five times:

     

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=The+son+of+God&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Hi TC,

    Of course NEBUCHADNEZZAR would have no idea what THE SON OF GOD looked like.

    Another KJV anomaly you have fallen for.

    #834538
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    Hi Nick,

    How do you know that King NEBUCHADNEZZAR did not know what the son of God looked like?  You have to infer that he did.

    Dan 3:25 He ( King NEBUCHADNEZZAR)  answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

    https://biblehub.com/daniel/3-25.htm

    All the different versions have something to the affect of “the son of God”, the “son of the Gods” or similar.  So you know must refer to the Messiah because he was in the midst of his three friends.

    #834539
     Truthcomber 
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    Of course their are the other 48 or so “son of God” verses.  You can’t discount them all.

    #834554
     NickHassan 
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    Hi TC,

    So you believe that Nebuchadnezzar knew what THE SON OF GOD looked like?

    Please show us your supporting verses.

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