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     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,
    The covenant was made only with the Israelites and those living with them. God made them His chosen people. A law does not apply to those outside of it's boundaries just as the Law of France does not apply here.

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     kenrch 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 03 2007,18:25)
    Hi t8,
    The covenant was made only with the Israelites and those living with them. God made them His chosen people. A law does not apply to those outside of it's boundaries just as the Law of France does not apply here.


    Well what else in the bible doesn't apply to us? When you are in France and you break the law are you excused because you are visiting? Their are no Jew or Gentile , male or female in Christ Jesus.

    Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus.
    Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    There are no nationalities in the kingdom of God. We are all the children of God including the French LOL!

    Rom 11:16 And if the firstfruit is holy, so is the lump: and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
    Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and thou, being a wild olive, wast grafted in among them, and didst become partaker with them of the root of the fatness of the olive tree;
    Rom 11:18 glory not over the branches: but if thou gloriest, it is not thou that bearest the root, but the root thee.
    Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
    Rom 11:20 Well; by their unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by thy faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
    Rom 11:21 for if God spared not the natural branches, neither will he spare thee.
    Rom 11:22 Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God's goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Kenrch,
    True.
    All in Christ are now not under the guardianship of the OT Law but the law of the Spirit of Love.

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     kenrch 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 03 2007,21:09)
    Hi Kenrch,
    True.
    All in Christ are now not under the guardianship of the OT Law but the law of the Spirit of Love.


    I agree Nick it is the Spirit that convicts us when we sin. The law was made spiritual by Jesus. The law is written on our heart and mind:

    Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, saith the Lord: I will put my laws on their heart, And upon their mind also will I write them; then saith he,

    So we don't need the stones that God wrote on anymore.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi kenrch,
    They will not be irrelevant till the heavens and the earth pass away.
    I find this verse interesting in Jer 33
    19 The word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 20 “This is what the LORD says: 'If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, 21 then my covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne.”

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     kenrch 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 03 2007,21:16)
    Hi kenrch,
    They will not be irrelevant till the heavens and the earth pass away.
    I find this verse interesting in Jer 33
    19 The word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: 20 “This is what the LORD says: 'If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, 21 then my covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne.”

    Heb 8:9  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers In the day that I took them by the hand to lead them forth out of the land of Egypt; For they continued not in my covenant, And I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
    Heb 8:10  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel After those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, And on their heart also will I write them: And I will be to them a God, And they shall be to me a people:

    The covenant with the fathers “from the land of Egypt” was full of feasts and rituals, ordances. Jesus fulfilled those laws Luke 24:44.

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    Hi GB,
    This is what you said in another site and it may draw some interest here
    “We were all told that sin was a result of mans doing from the garden of eden into all the world, But what if we are wrong what if it was God's doing all along, and was simply something God caused inorder to bring about ultimate Good in His creation. The word sin does not mean eternal death, it means to miss the mark. What if God caused us to miss the mark for the very perpose of teaching us through experiencing good and evil ourselves. God seems to take responsibility for it all, even justifying us while we are yet sinners. This is an interesting subject. Whats you alls or you guys take on this, i for one and i think Tim believe God caused it all to happen right from the start.”

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Some different verses.
    Ecclesiastes 11:9
    Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

    Psalm 25:7
    Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD

    Psalm 32
    1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

    2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

    #97958
     NickHassan 
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    Another,

    Jas 5
    20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

    God is not hardhearted but more than fair.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick…..i am sorry but i don;t know what this has to do with God planning it all in the first place.
    I know God is not hardhearted, and his anger does not last for ever. God planned and purposed all thats going on in this earth, there is not one thing that he is not allowing.

    peace………..gene

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     dirtyknections 
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2008,03:54)
    Nick…..i am sorry but i don;t know what this has to do with God planning it all in the first place.
    I know God is not hardhearted, and his anger does not last for ever. God planned and purposed all thats going on in this earth, there is not one thing that he is not allowing.

    peace………..gene


    allowing yes…causing no

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     WorshippingJesus 
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    Quote (dirtyknections @ July 18 2008,03:57)

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2008,03:54)
    Nick…..i am sorry but i don;t know what this has to do with God planning it all in the first place.
    I know God is not hardhearted, and his anger does not last for ever. God planned and purposed all thats going on in this earth, there is not one thing that he is not allowing.

    peace………..gene


    allowing yes…causing no


    DK

    Agreed! WJ

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    DK……who put the tree of knowledge in the garden in the first place, who placed the serpent there, who made them with eyes that couldn't see , until they eat of the knowledge of good and evil. Who Know the End from the beginning. To say God didn't cause it is to say He didn't have control and His purpose was not being done. If you understand that God wanted man to fall and experience first hand good and evil in order to gain wisdom from it, then you can see purpose in what God did. The woman was not wrong when she said The fruit would give wisdom and Adam realized it also and did eat, and the eyes of them (WERE OPENED) That is the eyes of their understanding. If God did not cause that to happen then we would have been nothing but blind dumb humans. God want and designed us for this experience for all of our Good it was very important to him for us to learn good and evil by experiencing it. There is nothing going on here that is not in God's plan and purposes.

    IMO………..gene

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     Hanoch 
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    My brothers, as I was reading what Gene was saying, my heart was broken – he obviously feels swept aside, my brothers, and we really ought to bask in the love of God, and give no place for the devil at all, our enemy!!!
    Sometimes that takes being quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to wrath, for the wrath of man does not end in the righteousness God is working in us; let us love one another and speak about Jesus, from the Spirit.
    We've all spoken words not coming from the Spirit at times – words not ministering life (whether the words are true or not) so let's all repent and go follow a man of God who can lead us further into the truth 1 John 2:13-15
    God just revealed to me that this relationship between spiritual father and son is not of total authoritarianism, but of dialogue: the hearts of the fathers must turn to the sons, and the sons must also turn to the fathers: neither are fully functional without the other, as God also is very intimate with His Son! God!

    Sometimes, truth words alone won't do it: it didn't do it for the Jews. We must abide in the Vine, and the Vine is not the Vine without His community: seriously, I know “alot” of the Bible, but that doesn't garauntee that I know the life-giving Jesus, but a child can know Jesus without know the letters of the Bible. Very big snare to avoid there… God, save us from wrong intentions, clean the motives of our hearts, God, and the arrogance and pride, God, wash us with Your blood and clean our motives, God, we renounce to any spirit – offense, arrogance, lethargy that is not of You, God – God, we want the one Spirit and His mind to rule in our lives – the Spirit of Jesus Christand the Father! Forgive us and restore us to committment with people, fellowship and service in the local church.
    I've just repented of this very thing today!! Let's get this show on the road again.

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     dirtyknections 
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 18 2008,04:27)
    DK……who put the tree of knowledge in the garden in the first place, who placed the serpent there, who made them with eyes that couldn't see , until they eat of the knowledge of good and evil. Who Know the End from the beginning. To say God didn't cause it is to say He didn't have control and His purpose was not being done. If you understand that God wanted man to fall and experience first hand good and evil in order to gain wisdom from it, then you can see purpose in what God did. The woman was not wrong when she said The fruit would give wisdom and Adam realized it also and did eat, and the eyes of them (WERE OPENED) That is the eyes of their understanding. If God did not cause that to happen then we would have been nothing but blind dumb humans. God want and designed us for this experience for all of our Good it was very important to him for us to learn good and evil by experiencing it. There is nothing going on here that is not in God's plan and purposes.

    IMO………..gene


    Brother Gene…I love your posts and insight on the scriptures..I just disagree with you on what GOD causes and what he allows..again..

    God says that he does not try us with evil and neither can we try him with it…

    I am sorry Brother..but that the is clear to me on this topic…

    I do enjoy my conversations with you immensely though :)

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