Satan

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2009,13:08)
    GB,
    No Job found humility after Satan's testing produced hidden pride.


    Nick…….Scripture says it was GOd who brought all this on Job, God was the originator and finisher of the work on Job, not some spook. Satan is Just a Adjective for adversarial spirit and is not a person, but a state of evil and is part of God intellect and God uses to to balance out life, because life is a state of GOOD and EVIL. And God uses evil when needed as well as good. Wisdom is the balance of these to forces or SPIRITS (INTELLECTS). The Evil part of God intellect was used to teach Job what he needed. It had nothing to do with a bet between God and the Devil as some presume. One of the Spirits (intellects) of God is the knowledge of Evil and another is the Knowledge of GOOD. The balance of these is what gives him His Wisdom. IMO

    love and peace to you…………………….gene

    #119171
     NickHassan 
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    GB,
    Taoism is not of God.
    “Intellect”does not appear in scripture.
    In whose name do you offer these strange thoughts?

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     david 
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    David come out of those false pagan teachings.

    I would like some quotes (not from you, actual quotes from anywhere else) explaining the connection between paganism and the belief in Satan as a being.

    It's really easy to do this with Christmas, easter, the trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc.

    But, can you do it with this? I'm just curious what you are basing this on.

    #119266
     GeneBalthrop 
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    David……..Where do you find it origins in Scripture was it taught any where in the old testament that a preexistent being was going to die and enter into a womens womb and be born again. Moses said The LORD would raise up from among there Brethren one like Him not bring someone from some other preexistence time. And this isn't even mentioning what purpose would it serve for God to do that , what would that show us if a preexistent super being was reincarnated and lived a perfect life, so what, what good does that do us , and could we really relate with him and he with us as one of our own, NO not really. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours……………………gene

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     david 
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    Gene, so you don't have anything then?

    That's what I thought.

    I ask you about pagan sources and you say it's not in the Bible. We look a the Bible and you say it has pagan sources. Quite the shell game.

    I'm not actually disagreeing with you that there may be pagans who believed in spirit's who existed before coming to the earth. I was just thinking you could provide an example–being that this is apparently what you believe. I was wrong.

    Example: Christmas is pagan. You look in most encyclopedias and it will talk about the Roman Saturnalia or the birthday of the invicible sun at the end of december. It will mention “exchanging” gifts, the druids and their evergreens, the holly, mistletoe and the magic associated. It will mention the lights and how they brought lights in their home as a form of sympathetic magic (doing one thing has a similar result–with the actual sun).

    So, with Christmas it's really easy to see the pagan connections. My question to you, once again:

    Can you show me a connection between paganism and Christ's pre-existence?

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    David……..Where does it say in the bible there is no trinity or that it is a pagan teaching, or for that mater where does it say in the bible that Christmas is a pagan practice, or for that matter Ester is pagan, so why do you believe they are , You ask me for bible proof and you don't have any for what you believe is. Why do you have to go out side Scripture to prove them but are unable to go outside scripture and prove (the conception of a god person incarnation is not new ) the incarnation was a Pagan belief , they taught several forms of it in fact, Where other Gods were reincarnated into human God-Men. Check it out on the web and you will see.

    peace and love to you…………………gene

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     david 
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    Where does it say in the bible there is no trinity or that it is a pagan teaching, or for that mater where does it say in the bible that Christmas is a pagan practice, or for that matter Ester is pagan, so why do you believe they are ,

    A LITTLE RESEARCH OF HISTORY, GENE.

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    You ask me for bible proof

    NO GENE, I AM ASKING YOU FOR HISTORICAL PROOF, ANY PROOF REALLY, THAT JESUS PRE-EXISTENCE IS BASED ON PAGANISM. (I PROVIDED YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WANTED, WITH CHRISTMAS.)

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    why do you have to go out side Scripture to prove them


    BECAUSE NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY: “JESUS PRE-EXISISTENCE IS BASED ON A PAGAN IDEA.”
    YOU ARE SAYING THAT. I AM ASKING FOR PROOF. As I said, i don't doubt that there are pagan similarities. I was just asking if you could provide anything.

    #119403
     GeneBalthrop 
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    David …..why do you have to go outside scripture to prove Christmas or easter? what the difference.

    peace…………………..gene

    #119404
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    David …..why do you have to go outside scripture to prove Christmas or easter? what the difference.

    You said this and this and this and this were pagan. How do we know? By checking history. (Not all history is contained in the Bible.) Why do people celebrate Christmas on Dec 25th? History tells us that. The Bible does not. You are the one that made the claim. I'm sorry I asked and will stop asking and assume you have no concrete facts.

    Thankyou anyway.

    david

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 27 2009,06:29)
    GB,
    Taoism is not of God.
    “Intellect”does not appear in scripture.
    In whose name do you offer these strange thoughts?


    Nick……..does Mind appear in scripture and guess what goes on in the mind Nick, Thoughts, and those thoughts make up your intellect. now was the so hard to put together and understand ?

    peace and love to you……………………..gene

    #119406
     NickHassan 
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    GB,
    Do we need these additional concepts to read scripture your way?
    The way of simplicity is better[2Cor11]

    #119407
     GeneBalthrop 
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    David ……….do you want me to find Historical facts about the pagan teachings rebirth of divine beings for you , i thought you as a JW would already know that by now. But if you want i can begin a search where I read about it .

    peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

    #123860
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Satan is said to have a seat.

    Revelation 2:13
    I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

    His dominion is only through his minions and cannot have the unity that God's Spirit gives His church.

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 27 2009,04:08)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 26 2009,13:08)
    GB,
    No Job found humility after Satan's testing produced hidden pride.


    Nick…….Scripture says it was GOd who brought  all this on Job, God was the originator and finisher of the work on Job, not some spook. Satan is Just a Adjective for adversarial spirit and is not a person, but a state of evil and is part of God intellect and God uses to to balance out life, because life is a state of GOOD and EVIL. And God uses evil when needed as well as good. Wisdom is the balance of these to forces or SPIRITS (INTELLECTS). The Evil part of God intellect was used to teach Job what he needed. It had nothing to do with a bet between God and the Devil as some presume. One of the Spirits (intellects) of God is the knowledge of Evil and another is the Knowledge of GOOD. The balance of these is what gives him His Wisdom. IMO

    love and peace to you…………………….gene


    G,
    You said this in another thread.
    “Satan is the one who tries to appear as a angle of light and accuses the brethren before God day and night, who placed you as the Judge of anything,”

    Great you have realised the reality of Satan.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick……….Satan's seat is in the heart of Idolatry. Because this creates unreal GOD”S an is seated in the minds of those who do such things, And is an adversary to the one and only true GOD. Satan can find a seat in anyone Heart and must be Mastered as Jesus did. Resist the devil, and he shall flee from (YOU), that applies to all of us. So Satan can be in all of us and we must overcome Him as Jesus did when He was tempted in the wilderness. Jesus resisted Him and He fled from Him. We need to ask ourselves where is he seated at ,is it in the air as a being of some kind , or is it in our own heart and minds, and this is what we must master. If we master it at the door of our own hearts, then His kingdom will fall even as it fell in Christ Jesus' life. IMO

    love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene

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