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Hi Nick,
Scripture disagrees? No, its you who disagree.
Where does the Scripture disagree? Don’t just say without evidence.
John the Baptist said that “There is a man coming after me who is greater than I am”
And Jesus said about John the Baptist:
Luke 7:26-27
26 “But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I say to you, and more than a prophet.
27 “This is he of whom it is written: ‘Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, Who will prepare Your way before You.’28 “For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
So, Jesus is greater than John the Baptist, who is more than a prophet, and who is greater than every other men born of women. So, the Gospel clearly says that Jesus is more than a man (even more than the greatest man).
Logically, it is very easy to tell that Jesus is more than just a man. Even his physical body is EXTRADORDINARY, in that it does not have the Y chromosome of Adam. Meaning, it is very likely that he did not inherit the sin nature of Adam. There is no other human being in history with such a physical body. A man with a Y chromosome directly assembled by God.
In the end, I can see that you are not seeking the truth, because whatever is brought to you, you just ignore. How do you explain John the Baptist saying that Jesus was living LONG BEFORE John himself was born? Whereas we all know that Jesus was born AFTER John the baptist? How? Answer me, and don’t just ignore this.
Hi Togel,
You deny what is written in defence of the speculations of men?
Was Jesus a man? acts 2.23 1tim 2.5
Was Jesus a prophet? Acts 3.22-23
Hi Nick,
I think you are saying that about yourself.
You are denying what is written in defence of your own speculation.
John the Baptist clearly says that Jesus predates him. What do you say? You say, no, Jesus did not exist before John. So, it’s you who are defending your own speculation.
I never say that Jesus is a not man and is not a prophet. However, He is also divine, and eternal, pre-existing creation, according to the scripture. Is that even possible? That’s what the Scripture says, so, if we believe in the Scripture, that is possible. But you, you say that because Jesus is a man, He cannot be God. Who is speculating now? You! Not I.
Hi Nick,
I think you are saying that about yourself.
You are denying what is written in defence of your own speculation.
John the Baptist clearly says that Jesus predates him. What do you say? You say, no, Jesus did not exist before John. So, it’s you who are defending your own speculation against what is written in the Scipture. Prove to me otherwise!
I never say that Jesus is a not man and is not a prophet. However, He is also divine, and eternal, pre-existing creation, according to the scripture. Is that even possible? That’s what the Scripture says, so, if we believe in the Scripture, that is possible. But you, you say that because Jesus is a man, He cannot be God. Who is speculating now? You! Not I.
Hi Togel,
No the man of the Spirit was speaking of the Spirit in Jesus.
The Word was with God in the beginning.
Then the word was made flesh at the Jordan and dwelt among us.
Hi Togel,
A divine man?
Surely that is polytheism.
Remember God was in him reconciling the world to Himself
2 Cor 5.19
Was God in God?
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No the man of the Spirit was speaking of the Spirit in Jesus...
Then the word was made flesh at the Jordan and dwelt among us.
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And where is the Biblical verses to support your speculation above? No Biblical support means speculation.Christianity is NOT polytheism. We believe in a triune God. So, essentially all is One.
Hi Togel,
Then surely you can find trinity written in scripture.
God is not a God of confusion but of peace.
Step off the path trodden by most and seek.
Toggle,
John the Baptist clearly says that Jesus predates him.
No he does not but that is how you have been taught to understand his words. They can be understood other ways.
I can’t remember the words or the address so if you could direct me I would look at it again.
Toggle,
I see where you already did what I asked.
John 1:30 reveals bias on the part of some of the translators so it is easy to become confused by it.
Two words are used one that means before as in “to be in front of” and the other that means first.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“This is The One of whom I said: ‘After me a man is coming and he was himself before me because he had priority over me.’”Toggle,
I started out with Scripture first and later found Philo who agreed with what I found is Scripture but introduced a new viewpoint of it.
Hi Nick,
Oh yes, it is written in the Scripture.
You are definitely stepping of the right away and lost….Hi Kerwin,
Here are some translations:
AV: 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
BBE: 15 John gave witness about him, crying, This is he of whom I said, He who is coming after me is put over me because he was in existence before me.
CEVUK:15 John spoke about him and shouted, “This is the one I told you would come! He is greater than I am, because he was alive before I was born.”
ERV: 15 John told people about him. He said loudly, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘The one who is coming after me is greater than I am, because he was living before I was even born.’ ”
ESV: 15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”)
HCSB: 15 (John testified concerning Him and exclaimed,
“This was the One of whom I said,
‘The One coming after me has surpassed me,
because He existed before me.’ ”)
REB: 15 John bore witness to him and proclaimed: “This is the man of whom I said, ‘He comes after me, but ranks ahead of me’; before I was born, he already was.”
RSV: 15 (John bore witness to him, and cried, “this was he of whom I said, ‘he who comes after me ranks before me, for he was before me.’”)
INDONESIAN: 15 Yohanes memberi kesaksian tentang Dia dan berseru, katanya: “Inilah Dia, yang kumaksudkan ketika aku berkata: Kemudian dari padaku akan datang Dia yang telah mendahului aku, sebab Dia telah ada sebelum aku.”
JAVANESE: 15 Nabi Yohanes neksèni mungguh Sang Putra mau karo ngandika sora: “Ya iki wong sing dakkarepaké nalika aku kandha: ‘Panjenengané rawuh samburiku, nanging Panjenengané luwih dhisik tinimbang karo aku’, sebab Panjenengané wis ana, sadurungé aku lair.”Indonesian and Javenese are my native tongues, and they basically say the same thing: Jesus exists before John did, which agree with most English translation.
Should I choose to agree with one translation that deviate from the majority of translations? I don’t think so.I myself am a translator, and I know that when the majority of translators agree with one thing, and only one disagree, usually the majority is the correct side.
TOGEL…..What you are doing is just going along with present christanity’s views,not realizing that many scriptures have been, writen by trinitarians who force the text to meet their false views of JESUS PREEXISTING HIS BERTH AS WELL AS HIM BEING A GOD, WHO SOMEHOW WAS “MORPHED” INTO A HUMAN BODY. They forced the text say what the actual parchments do not “specifically” say like you did when you add the words “living” before me, whem in fact it sat was perfered before me. Som eventry tosayJESUS said he was alive before ABRAHAM, by also forcing the text to say that,but Jesus did not say he was alive before Abraham at, but was mentioned and therefore had presidents over Abraham.
Satan wants you to believe JESUS was different the we are, so he started those false teachings, go an read 2 Ths2 and understand that man who is sitting in thetemple of God is theman Jesus Christ, and it is he that is being desplayed as a God, creating his “image” as a man of sin, because to take the position of a GOD is IDOLATRY, THE FIRST COMMANDMENT SAYS “YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME “. BUT you have another God, the man Jesus, THAT IS COMMITING IDOLATRY.
TOGEL… GO AND READ THE POSTS ON THIS SITE “SATAN’S DOCTRINE OF SEPERATION”, IT IS SATAN himself who wants us all to believe Jesus was different the we are because he doesn’t want us to think we can ” come to the measure and “full” stature of christ Jesus” as Paul said WE CAN.
peace and love to you and yours. …….gene
Hi Gene,
Hmmm… you are saying that many scriptures have been written by trinitarians.
So, since you are a unitarian, I know now that you do not believe in the Scripture.
Well, if you do not believe in the Scripture, I have nothing to do with you. I mean, it is a matter of faith. If you believe, you believe, if you do not, then you do not. There is nothing I can do.
For the Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus is the only Divine Son of God, eternal in His existence.
But, since you do not believe in the Scripture, I do not see any need for me to continue the discussion here.
Btw, there are A LOT OF testimonies, in Youtube, included, of people visited by Jesus, and their lives changed, and they know that Jesus is God, this one is one of the most interesting:This atheistic Jew had his life changed after Jesus (whom he realized is God), visited him directly.
Togel.
For reasons of there own the translators get inventive with the words eimi which often translated to I am.
I was actually looking at the Koine Greek and seeing which ones go with it. Some could go with it by a stretch but there is no word that could be translated to “born”
The prime words I consider in question are emprosthen (root:emprosthen), Definition: in front, before the face; sometimes made a subst. by the addition of the article: in front of, before the face of, and prótos (root:prōtos), definition: first, before, principal, most important.
The AV of the KJV has those two words correctly but they switched their order in the sentence.
John 1:30Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Looking at it and the more detailed definition of emprosthen leads me to think the translators Jesus had a higher rank than John because he was first.
It could be speaking of time as well which makes it confusing and perhaps some translators seek to remove that confusion by making it more explicit.
Toggle,
My source is biblehub.com though it has some weaknesses. One is that its definition are sometimes cluttered and so hard to read. I might do more research elsewhere.
Hi togel,
I believe in the word.
I have obeyed the commands of God.
I do not believe in any Babylonian trinity as it is not biblical.
As usual your response is that we are lost.
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