Revelation 1:8

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     Togel 
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    Revelation 1:17-18 NKJV:

    17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
    18 “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

    Re 2:8 ¶ “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:

    Re 22:13 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

    Re 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    So, the Almighty is the the Alpha and the Omega = the Beginning and the End = the First and the Last = who lives and was dead = who was dead and came to life. Clearly Jesus Christ.

    Before Jesus was born:

    Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.

    Isaiah 48:12 “Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last.

    So, if Jesus is not God (I believe that He is the Son of God as well), then how could he uses the same name as God in Isaiah?

     

     

    #814834
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Togel……JESUS IS THE FIRST AND EXACTLY LIKE THE LAST, OF THOSE RESURECTED FROM THE DEAD.

    IN ISSIAH, IT IS GOD SPEAKING, NOT JESUS.., and where it say “his” redeemer it is referencing ISREAL’S REDEEMER , IT is not talking about the man JESUS.

    GOD ALMIGHTY IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA THE FIRST OF “ALL” THINGS, AND THE LAST OF “ALL” THINGS. WITHOUT HIM NOTHING CAME INTO EXISTENCE THAT EXISTS.

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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     Togel 
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    Gene… I am sorry, but I think you are putting words into Jesus mouth (words). Jesus did not say “I am the first of those resurected from the dead” in this verse. Please do not add words that Jesus did not speak. He clearly identifies Himself as the First and the Last, and in other verses in this same book, this “the First and the Last” person indentifies Himself as The Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End:

    Revelation 22:13  “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

    Also in Revelation 1:10-11:

    10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
    11 saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,”

    and then John continues the description of the source of the voice, and then this Person again said in verse 17:

    17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
    18 “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

    So, IT IS VERY CLEAR that the same person is identifying Himself as the First and the Last, and the Alpha and the Omega, “who was dead and alive forevermore”, which CANNOT BE but Jesus Christ.

    If you read these verses carefully and with an open mind, you will see this. There is no need to twist it.

    Besides, Peter and Paul also acknowledge that Jesus is God:

    Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

    2Peeter 1:1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

    So, if the two greatest apostles acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and is God, why should we not?

     

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Togel,

    Did you not know that God dwells in and speaks through Jesus Christ?

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     Togel 
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    Hi Nick,

    Yes, I think so.

    It is perhaps a tough thing to understand indeed.

    Christ taught that God is Spirit (John 4:24). So, logically, the body of Jesus is not God, because it is not spirit, but the Spirit inside of Jesus must be God. But then, is God not powerful enough to turn His human body into God? I had heard a term ‘hypostatic union’ and perhaps this refers to this?

    So, actually I have a question for the writer of this blog. If Jesus is the Son of God in His status, what is His essence? Is it God? or only man? I think His essence/substance is God. Son of God is only His status.

    #814850
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Togel,

    Jesus is a man like us.

    He was anointed with the Holy Spirit.

    That Spirit worked and spoke through him. Acts 10.38

    #814854
     Togel 
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    Hi Nick,

    So, you think Jesus did not exist before He was born in Bethlehem?

    #814855
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Togel,

    Yes the man Jesus was conceived in his mother’s womb.

    #814857
     Togel 
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    What about His spirit. You know, the Bible teaches that a man is triune, comprising body, soul, and spirit. So, before Jesus was born, how about His spirit and soul? Do you think He did not exist? Just like every other men, just like us?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Togel,

    Yes he was body, soul and spirit as we are.

    But about 30 yrs after birth he was anointed with the Holy Spirit at the Jordan.

    #814861
     Togel 
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    Hi Nick,

    Excuse me, but are you a Christian? Or a Moslem? Or Jehovah witness? Or?

    I believe you are completely ignoring Bible verses that say that Jesus exists BEFORE he was born.

    This could be because you are ignorant, since you are a Moslem, or simply because you are not aware of these verses, or you just choose to ignore them.

    #814862
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Togel,

    No you are not listening to the Spirit that spoke through the man Jesus.

    #814864
     Togel 
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    John 8:56-58

    56 “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
    57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
    58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

    Jesus exists before Abraham.

    John 17:5  “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

    Jesus had glory with Father before the world was.

    Hebrew 1:8-11

    8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
    9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
    10 And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
    11 They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment;

    God the Father said that the Son, the Lord, laid the foundation of the earth and created heavens.

    So, how can Jesus not exist before He was born? Not possible.

    You are either a non-believer (a Moslem) or an intentional non-believer (ignoring Bible verses), who would not listen to the Spirit talking to you.

     

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     kerwin 
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    Togel,

    Do you know the words ” the First and the Last” are correctly interpreted at the only one in a series. Alpha and Omega mean much the same as they are the first and last last of the Greek alphabet. The same is true of beginning and end. In short it means the one and only.

    God uses the words “first and last” in the OT to reveal he is the one and only God.

    Isaiah 41:4Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    4
    Who hath wrought and done it,
    calling the generations from the beginning?
    I the Lord, the first,
    and with the last; I am he.

    In scanning the use and context of the words “beginning and end” in Scripture I find it is about duration but God has neither a beginning or end. In Revelations 21:6 the words “it is done” precede that title. Revelations 22:13 may have the same context.

    “Alpha and Omega” are not used elsewhere in Scripture so I cannot find how they are specifically used.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Togel,

    No Jesus was not yet conceived.

    The anointing Spirit was from everlasting.

    The Word was in the beginning with God and was God.

     

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