Revelation 1:8

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Revelation 1:8
    “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    The scripture says it was the “Lord God” according to most translations, so it is clearly referring to the Father. But some argue that it is talking about Jesus because the context or verses before this one are in deed talking about Jesus. So let’s dig deeper and see if this means that revelation 1:8 is also talking about Jesus.

    In the beginning of the book in Revelation 1, it says that there is an actual angel speaking the words of the Revelation and it is this angel who quotes Jesus, who in turn quotes the Lord God.

    Revelation: 1-1
    The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

    Then in verse 4 & 5 we see this snippet:
    4 Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 
    5 AND from Jesus Christ,

    So it is clearly talking about God and then Jesus as another. It then continues to talk about Jesus right up to verse 7 and so the argument goes that it the following verse 8 is also Jesus. However, it clearly identifies “The Lord God” as being the one who is the Alpha and Omega. And we know that Jesus got his revelation from this God.

    Revelation 1:8
    “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    But let’s imagine for a minute that it is actually referring to Jesus even though it clearly is not. Even if that were the case it still doesn’t teach the Trinity. Either way you argue it, neither view teaches the Trinity. The term first and last can have many contexts. I could be the first and the last regarding this web site. I was definitely the first to post here, and if I outlive all of the active members here, then I would be the last. So the term first and last certainly doesn’t make me God or part of a Trinity does it.

    However, as has been clearly demonstrated above, it is the Father who is the Alpha and Omega in verse 8 of the Book of Revelation.

    ← Go back to ‘Supporting the Trinity Doctrine‘.

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    The problem with your answer is that you are taking away the fact that Jesus is coming back, and now stating that God is the one coming back, making them two seperate beings..
    When Jesus clearly states in several places in the NT that He and the Father are one and the second coming of Christ.
    I use KJV, NKJV, NIV, and NASB to study. These are all translations of translations, so there is possibility for error in your translation as well..
    Christianity is going to have to figure out who’s translation is correct, because all the debating pushes non Christians away because denominations cannot come to an agreement on which is right.
    Even the KJV was altered and edited..

    I’m not writing this to argue, but merely point out that scripture is written by man inspired by God..
    It is either right.. or completely wrong. Man is fallible, not Christ.

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    Not sure what you are getting at here, but suffice to say that Jesus and the Father are one, and Jesus prayed to the Father that we may be one too, and one with them. This is a unity and just as Jesus is one with God, so we can too.

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    HI

    I think and understand that God and Jesus ,are both the alpha and Omega,and so both the beginning and the end ,

    but we have to look it from two different beginning and two different ends

    like ;all started with God’s creation (beginning);but Christ the son being the first of God’s creation,(beginning);the end will be for Christ when he turn himself to his father ,and then also will his father end to be hostile toward all of his creation and starting to create new things the old things will be gone ,

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    Those who deny the Divinity of Christ have a real problem with this verse..

    t8 tries to make a distinction between the “Lord God” and Jesus (who is to come)..because to him it doesn’t make sense to call Jesus “Lord God,” like Thomas…

    “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    but compare this verse to Rev 22:12,13..and see who is speaking…??

    “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

    v16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

    (Note: Jesus has angels like God…?!? interesting..!!)

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl,

    So do specify who said the words of Rev 22.

    Was it God, Jesus or the angel who was guiding him?

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    DavidL,

    It is a title. Don’t assume only one individual has that title. A individual claiming they are the A and the B are telling you that they are the only one of some group. Jehovah tells us he is first and last God in the old testament. Repetition is used as emphasis.

    Jehovah is the first and last God in the God group and Jesus is the A and the Z in the Heir, aka the Son, group.

    If I use the argument that the same title means the individuals are the same then I could argue that Emperor Hirohito is Emperor Nero. It would not be a rational argument though.

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    Profile photo of dL dL 
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    interesting to see how much confusion abounds with those who deny the Deity of Christ…!!!

    “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” (1:8)

    Who is the One to come..?

    Jesus Christ of course…!!

    “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” (22:12)

    Who is speaking..? “I, Jesus..” (v 13)

     

    For the Son of Man is going to come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will reward each person according to what they have done.” – Matthew 16:27

     

    So here in one verse we have the revelation of Jesus Christ as “the Lord God” and “the Almighty.”

    which of course only confirms the testimony of Scripture..
    (Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace…before Abraham was, I AM etc etc).

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    Hi davidl,

    But you taught from scripture that the fullness of DEITY was IN HIM.

    Now you say he is that DEITY??

     

    So confusing.

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    so you like to promote confusion when it suits your own deceitful agenda to do so..??

     

    How can you be the exact image of God without being seen as God..?

    The Word was WITH God – the Word WAS God.

    I and the father are ONE.

     

    Let go of your confusion and let the Spirit illuminate your understanding.

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    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi davidl

     

    “How can you be the exact image of God without being seen as God..?”

    Is the image

    according to your human reasoning

    exactly the same as what is imaged?

     

    So no trinity now?

    #797352
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    “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”   John 17:5

    just an image..?

    #797369
    Profile photo of NickHassan NickHassan 
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    Hi Davidl,

    Indeed the Word was with God and was God.

    But the Word is not God.

    The SON of God.

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Yes DavidL, he is the image of the invisible God. That means he is not God, but his image.

    If you say he is God, then you deny that he is the image of that God

    If you say that he is God, then you have to deny that he is the son of that God.

    If you say that he is God, then you have to deny that God made him Lord.

    Can I state the obvious? Denying what is written to preserve philosophy is not a good idea.

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    How can you be the exact image of God without being seen as God..?

    Hi DavidL,

    When you look into a mirror is that you you see? No, it is a reverse image of you. And
    if you look at a picture of you is the you you see? …more so than in the mirror, but is still not you.

    Jesus is God’s Son and not God himself.
    He looks like God because he is “God’s Son”!

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    God bless
    Ed J

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