PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence

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  • #821161
     Ed J 
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    Edj….Jesus was not born a messiah

    Hi Gene,

    “For unto you is BORN this day in the city of David
    a Savior, which IS Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #821162
     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed,

    What is your problem?

    The messiah was born in Bethlehem.

    He was anointed at about age 30 at the Jordan River.

    That’s right Nick,

    “The messiah was born in Bethlehem.”

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #821163
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj….that was Jesus’ destiny, to be the messaih, he was not the anointed one untill he was anointed even though that was his destiny. Moses also was born to be a messiah or christo”s, but he wasn’t until God put his spirit on him. The word “born” means coming into existence, not prexisting like the being morphed from one existence into another, as most all falsely believe.

    If you think he already was the anointed or christo’s, then why did he have to latter recieve baptizm and the anointing be poured out on him, if he was already the anointed one. That sounds like the teaching of the Gnostic’s who believed because Jesus was a God already he had no need to be anointed by GOD, WHO JHON SAID WERE ANTICHRISTS. Tell us why you believe Jesus had to be anointed as the messiah twice?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #821164
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    President Obama was born in Hawaii.

    Of course he was not the president yet.

    And the Messiah was born in Bethlehem.

     

     

     

    #821165
     Ed J 
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    Three big logic fallacies that I see presented here:

    1. Opinions: opinions are presented as evidence.
    2. Scenarios: scenarios are presented as proof.
    3. Consensus: consensus is seen as conformation.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #821166
     Ed J 
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    Gene presents his opinion as if it were evidence of some kind

    And you Nick present a scenario as if is proof of some kind

    Both are logic fallacies

    #821167
     Ed J 
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    Hi Gene and Nick,

    I have real evidence, but you both will probability just ignore it anyways.
    Well, are you up for seeing evidence against what you believe,
    or are you happy staying believing what you believe?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #821168
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    You offer Logic as some sort of a test of spiritual things?

    Pathetic human wisdom.

    #821169
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    If your real evidence is just as useless as what you have offered so far then I have no interest in it.

    #821170
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    I guess the PARABLES used by Jesus would fail your scenario logic test.

    Choose today whom you will serve.

    #821171
     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed,

    If your real evidence is just as useless as what you have offered so far then I have no interest in it.

    Hi Nick,

    It would probably not be a good idea to call scriptural evidence ‘useless’

    #821172
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    ‘ Eat my flesh and drink my blood ‘ would not reach your human standards either.

    ’Before Abraham was I am ‘ also would fail I expect.

    Greek logic is folly in the eyes of God

     

    #821173
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    The Jewish leaders were responsible for the death of the Son of God on the basis of a wrong perception of scripture.

    Do not follow them.

     

     

    #821174
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    Listen carefully but do not hear.

    Look intently but do not perceive.

    #821175
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Edj…if JESUS WAS THE CHRIST AT BERTH , WHY NO MIRACLES OR EVIDENCE OF IT UNTILL AFTER HE WAS BAPTIZED AT THE JORDAN RIVER.

    GIVE US YOU SO-CALLED “PROOFS”. IS IT SOMETHING LIKE , “BEFORE” ABRAHAM I AM? (I am what?) The christos?, born?, mentioned?, more important? Do you believe Jesus was so ignorant he would not have said ” I WAS ALIVE OR IEXISTED, ARE YOU UNABLE TO KNOW JESUS WAS SPEAKING TO THE JEWS ABOUT HIS IMPORTANCE, THAT HE IS MORE IMPORTANT THE ABRAHAM, BEFORE HIM IN IMPORTANCE M AND THAT THE JEWS NEED TO PLACE HIM AHEAD OF ABRAHAM, AND RELY ON HIM INSTEAD OF ABRAHAM FOR THERE CONNECTION WITH GOD THE FATHER. READ THE CONTEXT AND RELY ON THE SPIRIT OF GOD TO TEACH YOU OF THE TRUTH ABOUT SCRIPTURE.

    SO PRODUCE YOUR SO-CALLED “EVIDENCE” TO SUPPORT YOUR CONCLUSIONS.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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