Preexistence (Part 2)

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    So in your theology SPIRITUAL means SPIRITUALLY GENERATED.

    Very novel.

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     Anthony 
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    Hi Nick . Yes Nick I know and agree that death was pass on to us and not sin and babies are innocent till they sin. according to Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— I was just asking what do we do with Psalms 51:5

    Surely I was sinful at birth,
        sinful from the time my mother conceived me. What do you think.

    #834674
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Anthony,

    SINFUL here does not relate to our actions but the indwelling lusts.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    You say the natural body is in bondage to the fear of death.

    How odd.

    I thought the mind was more likely subject to such fears.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Jesus was raised in his damaged, bloodless original body to fulfill the sign of Jonah.

    His natural life in that old body was finished as that life is in the blood.

    He was alive in the Spirit he had been baptised in at the Jordan.

     

     

     

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick….that body he was raised with went through doors, went up into the heavens, and the angel said he would come back in “like” mannor.  Tell us where scripture says spirits can be seen.

    God created man the way he wanted them to exist, and that is the way they will exist, Adam was spritually generated himself and that spiritually generated body he had could have lived forever, had he eaten of the tree of life, according to the word of God. You way under estimate what God can do with flesh human beings. Besides  IF GOD SAID Their CREATION WAS “VERY GOOD”, what gives you the right to preach they are not. You misunderstand the scripture that says flesh and blood can not “inherit” the kingdom, as meaning that the can’t be in the kingdom, I have explained that to you before. It is the same as saying your physical house you live in can’t inherit anything,  but “you”certanily can,  and your house you live in can be part of that inheritance.

    We are spirits living in bodies, where the spirit wills the body goes, Jesus said a spirit without a body goes about in ARID (DRY) , places looking for rest. Is that what you want to go about in arid places looking for a body to live in to find rest.  Our bodies are TEMPLES OF THE LIVING GOD, He Seems ok to dwell in them with us, but you believe we won’t have bodies.  No scripture says that, your wrong on this one Nick.

    Nick the seed that was planted was physical and brought forth another physical plant, it does not change to a spirit, now does it? But reproduces the same plant it came from, so is everyone that is resurected, they come up in the same form they came from also, a regenerated human being exact like Jesus was after his resurection. IMO

     

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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     Jodi 
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    Hi Nick,

    Since when is your brain/mind not a part of your body?

    When God brought forth death He also brought forth pain and suffering to the body. Woman deliver babies in pain, men have to work and sweat for their food, “breaking their back”, this was a curse that YHWH brought. In His kingdom YHWH has promised no more pain or suffering, no more tears.

    When you suffer an injury you become conscious to it when the signal has reached your brain. Your brain makes you consciously aware that you are hungry when your stomach is empty, etc.. within this natural body exists your brain of which is ignorant until YHWH gives it wisdom, truth and understanding. He gives it self control.

    Within your brain lies your primal instincts, which other animals likewise have.

    When God gives us the spirit of wisdom, knowledge and understanding He is working on our executive state of our brain, we are receiving information from His Spirit. Without information from God we are ignorant to the truth and His ways, we are not capable of functioning according to His design, only God is good, only YHWH is the source of knowledge. Likewise faith in God is not something that just magically appears, it is not something found in us naturally, it is built in us, it exists through a personal relationship with YHWH, where He has revealed Himself to us through our brain.

    Adam and Eve did not know pain, suffering, sweat, tears, or death, they also did not have faith in God, they were ignorant. They had a carnal mind. They were not born with a weak body, but their mind itself was weak because of ignorance. 

    When the cursing came, Adam and Eve now had a weak body and thus the mind of man was made even weaker, not only was it ignorant, but it was brought to have to serve the body in order to stay alive. Jesus was born into a weak body, but upon his death God had created a perfected mind, one that was not ignorant of God, one that followed His will with unrelenting faith. Jesus overcame the natural body and mind through God’s Spirit. Jesus overcame the adversary, the slanderer. God gave him wisdom, understanding, knowledge and thus he was not ignorant. That power likewise gave him self control over the temptations that arise from the imagination developing ways to serve the flesh.

    Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    Ezekiel 13:2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own imagination, Hear ye the word of the LORD;

    Jeremiah 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

    Jeremiah 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:

    Jeremiah 11:8 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do; but they did them not.

    Jermiah 13:10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.

    Luke 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

    Psalms 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.

    Isaiah 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

    Leviticus and Numbers speak repeatedly of men sinning through ignorance,

    27 And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;

    26 And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.

    Epheisans 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

    We are not alienated from God through the forces of a wicked rebel spirit being, but through ignorance and the imagination within ourselves, that is what we WALK AFTER!

    The old serpent the adversary the slanderer, is the imagination. This is exactly what Eve and Adam WALKED AFTER in the Garden, an ignorant imagination.

    The dragon in Revelation we are told are kings, this dragon is a force of men WALKING AFTER the imagination of their own ignorant heart. This is exactly what Cain walked after also, and the slanderer, the Roman Emperor who cast Christians into prison and crucified others. This is exactly what Peter WALKED AFTER, and why Jesus therefore called him an adversary, for he had in MIND the things of MEN.

     

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    The brain is part of your body.

    The mind is not part of your brain.

     

    The mind is not part of your body.

    Worldly imaginative thinking you offer.

    #834683
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Humanistic ideas that come from the observations of men are not the teachings of God.

    Just the addled imaginations of ignorant men.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    You offer the miracles of Jesus walking through doors as evidence that he still lives in his seedling body?

    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

     

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Where does Revelation tell us the DRAGON is KINGS?

    Rev12.9

    And the great dragon was cast down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, Who deceives the whole world;

    Rev 20.2

    And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for 1000 years.

     

    Scripture witnesses against you, and repeats that witness to establish it as truth.

    2cor 13.1

     

     

    #834686
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Gene,

    Why would you think all with SPIRITUAL BODIES are SPIRITS?

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     Jodi 
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    Hi Nick,

    So when a person gets into a car accident and flies through the windshield and their head hits the pavement their mind is not effected when their brain suffers trauma?

    Please explain?

     

     

     

     

     

    #834690
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    I am struggling to find the word BRAIN in the bible.

    Can you help?

    #834691
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Jodi,

    Jn 17.17

    Sanctify them in truth; Thy Word is truth.

    But you offer instead the teachings of men?

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