July 12, 2018 at 2:46 am #832199
Hi Gene ypu keep on trying to correct me on the gnostic. Gnostic: Docetists said that the flesh and the divine cannot mix, therefore Jesus was truly God but only in the form of a human being. Gnosticism offered two traditional answers to the question . . . Adoptionist Gnostics said Jesus was a regular man, but when he was baptized by John a divine power descended on him and he was “adopted” as the Son of God. And Valentinian Gnostics accepted the idea of Jesus being truly human and truly divine, but argued that there were actually two persons residing in the same body, a human person and a divine person . . . and when Jesus died it was only his physical nature that was crucified, while his divine person lived on.you can search that out for yourself if you want. Don’t take my word. We need to search things out for ourselves. God bless Gene.July 12, 2018 at 2:54 am #832201
Anthony. ..your mixing up the GNOSTIC’S OF TODAY, WITH THE GNOSTIC’S OF THE APOSTLES DAY, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUPS AND THERE BELIFS. I have studied in depth about the gnostics of the apostles day and there teachings are completely different then those of today,
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneJuly 12, 2018 at 4:09 am #832203
No I’m not Gene
- Docetists and the
Valentinian Gnostics was Gnostic back then
Search it out. God bless.July 12, 2018 at 4:22 am #832204
Hi Gene what would it even matter what the dating is, the fact is you believe in Jesus Christ just like some of them did.
Gnosticism offered two traditional answers to the question . . . (Jesus Christ) Adoptionist Gnostics said Jesus was a regular man, but when he was baptized by John a divine power descended on him and he was “adopted” as the Son of God.July 12, 2018 at 10:28 am #832224
ANTHONY, I NEVER SAID Jesus is a GOD, I have been arguing aganst that for over 50 yars now, i do not believe Jesus is a God and preexisted at all nor do ibelieve he was just desguised as a human ast h e taught. No if any fit their beliefs here it you, because you as they believe Jesus came fromthe pelora as a GOD OR A DEMIGOD OF SOME KIND, i never even remotely implied any such thing.
You’ve got your wires crossed, i have no belifs that in anyway connect with the Gnostic’s of the time of Paul and John. Like i said you getting the two periods CROSSED UP. I have no idea what modern Gnostic’s preach nor do i even care to know. But i certainly know what they taught at the time of the apostles, i have made a very in depth study of them, and their teachings.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneJuly 13, 2018 at 12:41 am #832241
Hi Gene I don’t believe I said that I no you don’t. I’ll go back and check if I did I apologise for that if I did.. God bless GeneJuly 13, 2018 at 1:00 am #832243
Hi www that was a good post. The one on page 510 this one:
I can make this easy for anyone who can read. If one finds themselves having to be creative in explaining a supposed foundational truth while sacrificing the integrity of the scope of the Word, then one should definitely check their doctrine.
God bless AnthonyJuly 13, 2018 at 1:03 am #832244
Hi Gene I couldn’t find where I said Gene. Send it to me k.
God bless.July 13, 2018 at 1:37 am #832245
Anthony, the Gnostic’s at the time of Paul and John only had one view and that was that Jesus was a God sent from the pelora of the GOD’S. ALSO that he was only desguised as a manm but was really a GOD. THE denied his need to recieve the anointibg spirit, reasoning that he was already GOD, and so did not need to baptized and recieve the spirit of God as other human do.
Hence the apostle JOHN coined the phrase “ANTICHRIST’S , because they did not believe Jesus was a flesh and blood human, who came into his existence just as we do, and because they believed he was a preexisting God already he had no need to be anointed by a GOD.
THE WORD ANTICHRIST, simply means, ANTI-ANOINTING, not anti-Jesus, as most assume, because the Gnostic’s did believe in Jesus, but a different Jesus, the one that nearly all CHRISTENDOM believes in today.
The gnostic’s were in the true church, but as John said they went out from us, therefore proving they were not all of us, they started there own form of christanity, which eventually took over and became what is now christanity the apostate church was formibg even at the time of t h e apostles, just as PAUL AND John said, “for the iniquity does already exist”. Those apostles were fighting what now is the christian religion of this day.
2THS 2, is talking about the false (INAGE) of Jesus now preached, that turned the man Flesh man JESUS into a GOD, which turns the (IMAGE) of him into the “man of sin”, and because the apostate churches did not love the truth, about the real Jesus, GOD sent unto them a deluding spirit, in order for them to believe the “LIE”, what lie? , that JESUS was a GOD.
All who preach Jesus as a preexisting GOD OR DEMIGOD and worship him as such, are IDOLATERS, and are in the wide path of destruction that many go in threat, just as Jesus said.
Peace and love to you and yours. …..geneJuly 13, 2018 at 12:39 pm #832267The Word’s WatchmanParticipant
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RE: Vine and Branches. We are more like Jesus as he’s our brother (Heb 2:11). Jesus is the first fruits to die no more (Rom 8:29-30). We will be “cultivated” when he returns. (1 Corn 15:23-24). God is the husbandman. Though, we are all united as one with God and with His Son Jesus Christ (John 17:11&21)
John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
RE: Mary giving birth to Jesus.
Yes, Mary gave birth to Jesus. Point is, he is not born of a man, from man’s seed/semen. Life of the flesh is in the blood (Gen 9:4, Lev 17:11). We get our genetic make up from our fathers passed down through the blood. This is why we all die because the curse of death is passed to all, our blood is corrupted. Jesus didn’t get his blood from man, he only took part of flesh and blood, he took the flesh part (Heb 2:14). This makes him able to be the pure sacrifice. God is not a man, He is Spirit (John 4:24, Luke 24:39). Jesus was created in the womb of Mary by God, thus making him from above. Just like when a person gets born again, they are born from above; being born again = being born from above (John 3:3). Think of it this way, God’s Word is His Seed, His Son is His Seed, His Son is His Word, when that Word get’s in you and you believe, it grows and you are anointed with the Christ in you, the gift from the Holy Spirit which is holy spirit the God Breathed Word. (John 20:22, 2 Tim 3:16)July 13, 2018 at 3:12 pm #832272
So you have established some things about your beliefs.
1 Jesus was not a man like us. Despite being born of a woman and the verse in Jb 25 about that, he was born perfect.
2 Jesus was not conceived but somehow existed before Mary and took on flesh somehow. Mary was not his mother.
3 Jesus did not suffer temptation like us and did not need to be an overcomer like we do.
4 We cannot possibly follow him-he has a huge head start.
5 If these are your thoughts – they are scripturally wrong.July 13, 2018 at 3:31 pm #832273
We get half our genetic makeup from our father and half from our mother.July 13, 2018 at 8:42 pm #832275
Jesus did not get his blood from man?
Where is this idea from?July 13, 2018 at 8:47 pm #832276
Jesus was created in the womb of Mary?
You say his creation was his being born from above?
Scripture says he was conceived. Why did would you add these ideas to scripture?July 13, 2018 at 10:28 pm #832278
Here a link on Gnostics:
I hope this helps on what I was saying about Gnostics.
God bless Gene
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