Preexistence (Part 2)

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     t8 
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    Who dares oppose this?

    to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

    He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

    Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

    In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

    Nick, Gene, who else?

    #822555
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8

    You confuse Flesh with Spirit.

    The Word was with God and was God.

    We no longer speak of Christ according to the flesh.

     

    Flesh contributes nothing. Jn 6

    #822558
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    For some odd reason you think that those who find your weak logic and reason based

    interpretations of the prophetic and spiritual word of God lacking,

    are in opposition to the truth.

    Why is this?

    #822621
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    It is your vain belief in preexistence that causes you to deny the anointing of the man, Jesus, at the Jordan.

    In essence you seem to deny the power and abilities of God’s Spirit.

    Do not take pride in your stubbornness.

    You too can be changed.

     

    #822624
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    The idea of souls preexisting comes from Plato and was fostered by Origen.

    Your belief seems to be that only the man Jesus preexisted and not all men.

    But this is a misunderstanding based on failure to grasp the prophetic word.

    And the failure to appreciate the work of the eternal anointing Spirit in him.

    And rejection of this anointing which the bible shows as being at the Jordan.

    #822625
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8….Please listen, NICK is right on this, Jesus did not exist before his berth on this earth, even though he was prophecied to come into existence at the apointed time, by the prophets who were moved by the Spirit of God.

    You are not standing on ferm ground T8, and slugging down the work of God on this site. I know you don’t want to but you are brother, IMO.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #822627
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Zech 12.1

    ….Thus declares the Lord, Who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth,

    and forms the spirit of man within him.

     

    Do you agree this applies to all men?

     

    #822628
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Mike,

    Do you think that being AS GODS is the same as BEING GODS?

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     t8 
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    Hi T8,
    For some odd reason you think that those who find your weak logic and reason based interpretations of the prophetic and spiritual word of God lacking, are in opposition to the truth. Why is this?

    Because you teach the opposite of:

    • To the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord,
      before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
    • He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
    • Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
    • In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
      but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things,
      and through whom he made the universe.
    #829812
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    So who was before all ages? Who did creation come through?

    Was it a man, the son of Mary, or a spirit being?

    Or is there another possibility?

    #829813
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    If he is a man was Adam not the first man?

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     Jodi 
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    t8,

    Without the work of God’s Spirit in Jesus, Jesus would have never been perfected. TRUE or FALSE?

    Without that perfection we would still be in our sins, and thus there would be no hope of eternal life. TRUE or FALSE?

    If there is no hope in eternal life all that are dead are not sleeping but are dead forever, and those that are alive there fate as well is death. This makes a future of nothing but death.

    But God PLANNED for a future of life from the beginning, and all things consist in that life, and all things that God made was for the purpose of life for evermore. TRUE or FALSE?

    The way to eternal life is through the man who shed his blood. TRUE or FALSE?

    God is life, His Spirit brings righteousness to man, and thus man is also deserving of life. TRUE or FALSE?

    God promised David of his seed God would unto his seed His Spirit, and appoint him an eternal king. TRUE or FALSE?

    Jesus was MADE into a savior on earth through the Spirit that causes righteousness. TRUE or FALSE?

    t8, do you think that our heavenly Father would have made the world without His plan that consisted of a seed from David being made into a savior?

    All things were not made by a pre-existing son, all things to do not consist through a pre-existing son, ALL things consist according to the LIFE that a perfect human son brought through the shedding of his blood.

    You are trying to say that the world was made by a pre-existing son, but the scripture is telling us that God made the world THROUGH a man that would COME and shed his blood and bring LIFE.

    You even have this stated in the passage, and you cannot see this truth.

    who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

     

     

    #831101
     t8 
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    Jodi, he emptied himself and came in the flesh. Yes lots of work was done in him like us. We all learn obedience through suffering, even the one born the messiah.

    He is now in the glory he had with the Father, before there was even a cosmos.

    Amen.

    #831202
     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8….That glory was a predestined glory that was to come to him, he never had that glory until he was resurected from the grave. We also have honor, and glory already aforded us, but we as Jesus was are looking forward for it, we do not have it now, right?

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #831666
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Jer 1.5

     

    You know that does not mean that Jeremiah preexisted.

    Neither did the firstborn conceived of Mary preexist..

     

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