Matthew 13:47-50

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Tartarus only gets one mention and not in relation to men but angels.

    So how did you reach the opinion that it is Hades, the waiting place for the dead?

    #801231
     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    Destruction of the soul by God in Gehenna right?

    So are you saying that the soul is restored for the purpose of suffering eternally thereafter?

     

    SOUL IS RESTORED?

    Or is it saying that those who go to Hell will eventually be thrown into the Lake of Fire where they will be destroyed.

     

    WHICH HELL ARE YOU SPEAKING OF?

    The latter is the view I hold. I believe that Hell is not light out, but a place of suffering that is eventually thrown into the Lake of Fire. Hell is thrown into there so yes those in Hell will suffer destruction of their soul.

     

    You confuse GEHENNA with DEATH and HADES

     

    Gehenna is the lake of fire, the final destination of evil men and angels.

     

    The other two are waiting places shown in Lk 16 and their destination is also the lake of fire once they have been emptied of souls.

    They have no further use.

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     NickHassan 
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    hi t8,

    The fires on earth are to cleanse the earth and not destroy it.

    The earth when cleansed will be the home for saved men.

    #801233
     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    The length of time sinners spend in gehenna is not specified.

    It was made for the devil and his angels.

    #801234
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    I already answered your question with the words:

    I said:

    Tartarus is in the Greek version of Hades and appears to correspond to the place the rich man went after death.

    Wikipedia:Tartarus

    in ancient Greek mythology, is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans

    Wikipedia:Tartarus

    In Greek mythology, Tartarus is both a deity and a place in the underworld.

    For that name to be used the concepts must be somewhat similar.

    #801236
     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    Hell is used 45 times in the kjv only used 15 times in the nasb and there are clarifications written in the notes of the nasb as to which place is referred to.

    It is better not to use the word which causes confusion imo.

    #801237
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    How relevant is GREEK MYTHOLOGY in the understanding of holy scripture?

    #801239
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    It is only relevant when parallel concepts exists. The Greek Hades has some similarities to the idea of Hades as written in the NT and Tartarus is claimed to be below Hades though a part of it. Scripture speaks of the lowest Sheol.

    Psalms 86:13

    Darby Bible Translation
    For great is thy loving-kindness toward me, and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest Sheol.

    #801241
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    So how does this make the thoughts of the greeks useful to bible students?

    #801244
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    The worldly opinions of the greeks and Wikipedia should not be the sources we turn to, to understand scripture.

    No wonder you get confused.

    #801245
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    We are not speaking of the opinions of the Greeks but rather the opinions of those that chose to use words from Greek mythology to represent Judeo-Christian ideas.

    I also posted out the similarities between the concept of Tartarus in Greek mythology and the lowest Sheol in the bible. I assume there are differences but they are simply pruned as not fitting the pattern laid out in Scripture.

    #801247
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Better to go to the source approved by God.

    the scriptures

    #801248
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    When Jesus appeared to Saul on the way to Damascus was he still in his torn and battered body?

    When he appeared in Dan 7 to receive the kingdom was he so attired?

    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.

    #801250
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    If scripture uses the word HADES it does not mean that greek myths have any substance.

    #801252
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    It means that in some ways the concept Hades parallel’s the concept of Sheol. There are also differences and those differences do not apply.

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