February 17, 2016 at 6:50 am #809052
Prophecy does not separate The Spirit of Christ from the man Jesus.
Jesus Christ is the prophesied messiah, Lord and King..
Without Jesus the prophecy could not come true.
What God has joined together let no man put asunder.
Do not deny the anointing at the Jordan.February 17, 2016 at 10:51 am #809066
Neither do I. And one reasons is because of what Heb 7:28 says.
For the law maketh men high priests,
but “The Word” maketh the son, who is
consecrated for evermore” (Hebrews 7:28)
Edj, when you can understand the difference between an attribute and a person, then you will be able to distinguish truth from the truth, logos, from the logos, and life from the life.
The next generation of believers understood this clearly as they make many references to the difference between the attribute and the person. The logos in John 1:1 is not just logos by the way, it is three times called THE logos and that logos was WITH God.
Here is what others Pre-nicene writers who were closer than anyone after to that first generation had to say:
Justin Martyr (ca. 150 A.D)
For not only among the Greeks did the Word prevail to condemn these things through Socrates, but also among the barbarians were they condemned by the Word Himself, who took shape, and became man, and was called Jesus Christ, and in obedience to him, we not only deny that those who did such things as these are gods, but assert that they are wicked and ungodly demons, whose actions will not bear comparison with those even of men desirous of virtue. And that you will not succeed is declared by the Word, than whom, after God who begat him, we know there is no ruler more kingly and righteous.
Tatian (165 A.D)
And by His simple will the Word sprang forth, and the Word, not coming forth in vain, became the firstbegotten work of the Father . Him [the Word] we know to be the Beginning of the world. But He came into being by participation, not by cutting off, for what is cut off is separated from the original substance, but that which comes by participation, making its choice of function, does not render him deficient from whom it is taken. For just as from one torch many fires are lighted, but the light of the first torch is not lessened by the kindling of many torches, so the Word, coming forth from the Word-Power of the Father, has not divested of the Word-Power Him who begat Him.
Theophilus of Antioch (ca. 175 A.D)
And He is without beginning, since He is unbegotten; and He is unchangeable, because He is immortal. And he is called God… He is Lord, because He rules over the universe, Father, because He is before all things, Fashioner and Maker, because He is Creator and Maker of the cosmos, the Highest, because of His being above all, and Almighty, because He Himself rules and embraces all.
God, then, having His own Word internal within His own bosom, begat him, emitting him along with His own wisdom before all things. He had this Word as a helper in the things that were created by Him, and by him He made all things. He [the Word] is called “the Beginning” [arche],1 because he rules, and is Lord of all things fashioned by him.
Whether you agree with the stance on the Word as being begotten or not, the truth remains, there are persons and attributes called the same thing and many today make the error in seeing all as an attribute. But Jesus Christ was right when he said he was THE truth. And such a declaration takes nothing away from the fact that truth is in God as an integral part of his character. If we understand that God begats, then he will begat that which is integral and part of him. This is why we are named after God’s own attributes. Look at the meaning of many names and you will see they mean, ‘beloved’, ‘truth’, ‘love’, ‘grace’ etc. Some names are exactly the word for the attribute such as Grace. Is there a difference between Grace and grace? Yes, one is a person and the other an attribute. And know this, when he comes he is called the Word of God because he is the Word of God.
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.February 17, 2016 at 7:14 pm #809150
The experts you quote were not apostles or men born of the Spirit.
The false church was led into deception by such as these.February 17, 2016 at 7:29 pm #809153
But you are true and everyone else not right?
Nick they have a voice, and you do too.
From what I can tell, they do not deny that Jesus Christ was the Word become flesh. They didn’t deny that he was born as Jesus Christ and the Lord.
If I quote them and it is a travesty, they how much more would it be if I quoted you?
They make way more sense than you IMO because you have blatantly and clearly disregard a number of scriptures and say they have a hidden meaning that doesn’t mean what it says. Reminds me of the Devil who said, “You will not die, instead you will become like God…”.February 17, 2016 at 7:32 pm #809154
How about we also make this topic about the subject in the title and opening post. i.e., Matthew 13:47-50
We can discuss the topic of Jesus Christ being born in Bethlehem or born at the Jordan in a more appropriate topic such as is Jesus the Logos or an even more appropriate one than that.
I will quote the opening post again in the hope we can keep this topic on track.
Thank you in advance for your cooperation.February 17, 2016 at 7:37 pm #809155
“Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Lake Wakatipu, Queenstown, New Zealand.February 18, 2016 at 7:49 pm #809269
So to obey the gospel -repent , believe and be baptised in water and the Spirit – is to be one of the few fish from the lake that is caught in the net. But God demands we walk in the Spirit and by seeking grace become like the master.
A sorting is done and some never make it to the wedding table.February 18, 2016 at 10:52 pm #809280
Yes, when we are born from above, we will love, because God is love.August 29, 2016 at 3:12 pm #816952
These men you quote have no legacy of anointed power.
But you feel that following them is a good idea?September 5, 2016 at 10:01 pm #817090
I draw on many sources because learning is an experience of listening. It is good to see what others said in other generations and judge their words with scripture. But listening to oneself only leads to arrogance or is arrogance. Happy that man is not.September 6, 2016 at 4:15 am #817098GeneBalthropParticipant
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EDJ…YOU ARE WRONG, the CHRISTO’S is not flesh and bone as JESUS IS, IT IS THE (ANOUNTING SPIRIT OF GOD), and it was from the begining and did come to BE IN JESUS THE FLESH MAN, AFTER HE WAS BORN ON THIS EARTH. THEREFORE Jesus is called “THE CHRISTO’S OR ANOINTED ONE OF GOD. That is exactly how God the Father came to be in his Son JESUS. IF you and T8 believed the words of Jesus you could clearly see that. YOU both are so intent to make Jesus out to be a “PREEXISTING” being nether of you can see this, even though there are many,many, scriptures that show it.
JESUS the man is not the CHRISTO’S that was “IN” HIM. THE CHRISTO’S CAME TO BE “IN” HIM, AND CAN BE IN US ALSO.
peace and love to you and yours. …….geneSeptember 6, 2016 at 4:26 am #817099GeneBalthropParticipant
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T8…..THAT IS ONE BEAUTIFUL PICTURE of Lake Whatapui, bet the fishing is good to, HOW I WOULD LOVE TO BE THERE. We are blessed with many beautiful lakes and mountains and forests also in California the state i live in AMERICA.
peace and love to you and yours. ……..geneSeptember 7, 2016 at 12:35 am #817121
Thanks Gene. I have been to California a couple of times, but not really explored it. Will do that one day hopefully. I have a nephew who is travelling the West Coast from LA to Vancouver at the moment. He is on a kayak adventure.September 7, 2016 at 12:51 am #817125December 12, 2017 at 12:07 pm #820047
The bible is the recorded works of God done by His Spirit through anointed vessels.
Man only sees man.
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