Matthew 13:47-50

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     Ed J 
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    Hi Ed,

    (1)So you believe revealing the scriptures at age 12 is sure evidence of an anointing before birth.

    (2)So what else did he say or do that supports your idea in those THIRTY YEARS?

    Hi Nick,

    1) You got things backwards – 1Peter 1:11 is evidence of his anointing before birth.
    And an Angel in Luke 2:11 declares Christ was born in Bethlehem mind you, this is critical
    as Micah 5:2 declares that the “spirit of Christ” came from everlasting TO BETHLEHEM, NOT JORDAN!

    2) In Luke 2:46-4: Jesus teaching in the temple at the age 12
    is evidence of his (Christ) anointing before 30 (but after his birth).

    So you see Nick, Micah 5:2 rips the cover off your erroneous assumption that “the spirit of Christ”
    is (according to you) the HolySpirit of God (– please note my use of your terms here)

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    God bless
    Ed J

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     t8 
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    But you demand that I believe he was anointed prior to birth and that would deny what is written about the Jordan.

    I do not demand this. Why would I? I believe he was the Christ when he was born. I believe that Jesus Christ came in the flesh and didn’t begin at the Jordan. I believe he was born the King of the Jews. He was also the son of God when he was born. For this you persecute me and falsely accuse me. What spirit would try to get me to technically deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh? Nick, you should be mindful of some important points.

    • The Antichrist Spirit denies that Jesus is the Christ and that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
    • If a man is born from above, he will love. Love is kind.
    • Scripture is used for reproof and correction. When I do this, you accuse me of judging you, yet you are quite alright with saying I do not follow the Spirit using your own words and judgement. You do not use scripture to correct me because you cannot not. I believe you would if you could and if you could I would be appreciative. Instead you have to resort to your own words and own understanding to make accusations against me. I rightly reject these judgements.
    • A man is much better off judging himself than judging others.
    • Pride goes before a fall.
    • What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, but lose his soul. So what does it profit a man to try and win an argument that scripture doesn’t support and try and get others to deny that Jesus is the Christ like he seems to be doing? Face it, you believe that Jesus was not the Christ. He was born Jesus, and wasn’t the Christ till Jordan at which point he was Jesus Christ. So you deny Jesus as the Christ clearly because when Jesus was born, he was not the Christ according to you because the man was not yet anointed according to you.  What you teach is Jesus Christ is the Christ. Not Jesus as the Christ as scripture shows us.

    Realise what you are doing Nick so you can change.

    #808973
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Encourage by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

    I am hoping you will see the overriding truth that the Holy Spirit of God works through men.

     

    Is that sound doctrine?

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     t8 
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    I am hoping you will see the overriding truth that the Holy Spirit of God works through men.

    Nick, this is a veiled accusation. Why would you think that I do not believe that the Holy Spirit works through men? Show me anywhere where I have said or taught such a thing. Did you know that bearing false witness against thy neigbour is a commandment. Not just good advice Nick, but a commandment.

    You think I believe that because I believe that Jesus Christ was born as a baby and not at the Jordan and that he actually spoke even though I say he spoke what the Father wanted him to say.

    Cast aside your own understanding of things Nick. You are constantly putting your foot in it with these false accusations. Judge yourself, not others.

    Your magic formula that Jesus was not the Christ till Jordan is a fail. He was born the messiah and that is all there is to it. Scripture shows us clearly.

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     t8 
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    Correct me with scripture Nick and I will appreciate it. Accuse me with your own understanding and I will rightly rebuke you.

    You will never win this Nick because the truth was there before you were born. You are better to align with the truth rather than for pride’s sake convince others that you are right.

    #808979
     kerwin 
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    t8,

    It is a good looking landscape shot but it is buried under all these post. Why don’t post it in this thread again?

    #808988
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    The Spirit of anointing was in the beginning with our God.

    Nothing was created without the Spirit of anointing.

    That Spirit was in the desert with the Israelites.

    That Spirit was also in the prophets.

     

     

    That Spirit made Jesus the Christ.

    The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy

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     t8 
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     Ed J 
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    Yes Nick, I already know what you believe. But you are
    not addressing Micah 5:2, which clearly disproves your theory.

    Your belief is the spirit of Christ came from everlasting to JORDAN,
    ———————-but that is NOT what Micah 5:2 states———————–
    Micah 5:2 states the spirit of Christ came from everlasting to BETHLEHEM.

    This verse alone proves your assumption erroneous. The spirit of Christ is NOT God’s HolySpirit.
    God’s HolySpirit is the father to Christ’s: (references: Matt.1:18, Matt.1:20, Luke 1:35 & Hebrews 12:9)

    So what do you do about this? It looks to me like you are going to pretend that Micah 5:2 is worded incorrectly.
    And why is that??? Because you also believe Luke 2:11, Matt.1:16 and Matt.2:3 are all worded incorrectly as well.

    So to reiterate my point: if the spirit of Christ came from everlasting to BETHLEHEM (as Micah 5:2 clearly states),
    then the spirit of Christ cannot cannot cannot be God’s HolySpirit, but instead is the Spirit of the Son of GOD!

    John 4:23 states “WE” will come to them and make “OUR” abode with them. And in Roman 8:9 the “WE” and “OUR”
    are clearly defined! (I have pointed this out to you more than once, but you just shrug it off)
    I think T8 is with me on this. Are you T8? Is this what you believe as well?
    I remember you once told me your beliefs were similar to mine.

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    Your brother
    in Christ
    Ed J

    #809022
     NickHassan 
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    Hi ed,

    The word was with God in the beginning.

    The origin of the Christ anointing.

    #809026
     Ed J 
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    Hi Nick,

    Did you even read my post?

    Because you have completely ignored my point,
    and instead you just reiterate YOUR BELIEF.
    Please man up and address my point.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #809036
     t8 
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    Yes Edj, I believe you are right regarding the spirit of Christ as NOT being God’s Holy Spirit, rather the Spirit of the Father, and the Father is the father of all spirits & sons,.

    As for Micah 5:2, yes the prophesied one here has origins from ancient times. Some people say Jesus origin was but 2000 or so years ago, which was not ancient when these things happened 2000 years ago. But we know that Jesus Christ is in the glory he had with the Father before the world. That is ancient indeed. So ancient in fact that God made the universe through his son. I cannot understand why so many study scripture but reject these.

    Nick goes on about the flesh means nothing, thus Jesus the man was not really anything special till the anointing at Jordan. But he doesn’t draw Jesus origin back to the Word that was with God, the one that became flesh. Unfortunately Jesus is just a man to him and it is written, cursed is he who trusts in man. But we should trust in Jesus, because he is the Christ and the son of the living God, not because he was a man.

    Nick has been teaching his doctrine for a while and accusing those who question him as not having the spirit. He then tells everyone to be born again, when he forgot that those who are born again love and do not dishonor others.

    I hope that Nick changes for his sake. I don’t really mind that much when people accuse me of things I am not. So long as I am secure in God, yes there will always be people critical of myself and others. I accept that. But for me, my relationship with God and passion for truth, will not let others easily sway me.

    However, if I have erred and someone can point out where using scripture, then it may be uncomfortable, but ultimately I hope that I would be thankful to such a person, for helping me out. I suppose that even if they were nasty to me it would still be worth knowing.

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     Ed J 
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    But he doesn’t draw Jesus origin back to the Word that was with God, the one that became flesh.

    Hi T8,

    Neither do I. And one reasons is because of what Heb 7:28 says.

    For the law maketh men high priests,
    but “The Word” maketh the son, who is
    consecrated for evermore” (Hebrews 7:28)

    “The Son”, in this verse, is obviously “Christ”.
    – and –
    “The Word” maketh the son,

    So unless you believe ‘Christ maketh himself’ – “The Word” cannot be Christ!
    And it’s too bad, like Micah 5:2 is for Nick, that you cannot see this.

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    God bless
    Ed J

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     Ed J 
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    So unless you believe ‘Christ maketh himself’ – “The Word” cannot be Christ!

    Hi T8,

    And there is another verse that states this point.
    Framed here means fashioned (as in formed or made).

    “(a)Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed (made) by “The Word” of God,
    (b)so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Hebrews 11:3)

    Part “b” is saying that because Christ was seen,
    things which were made did not come from him.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #809050
     kerwin 
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    t8,

    Thank you.

    I hope others paused and admired the view.

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