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  • #157678
     dirtyknections 
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    Yall are arguing over semantics now…

    If you want to keep the “Law”..fine there is nothing to say that you can't..so as long as you don't judge as “wrong” those who don't…As long as you remember that “Grace” and More importantly “LOVE & Faith”…are ultimately what we live by…

    Paul spoke about those who “wanted to be under Law”..

    Galatians 4… 21Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

    24These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written:
    “Be glad, O barren woman,
    who bears no children;
    break forth and cry aloud,
    you who have no labor pains;
    because more are the children of the desolate woman
    than of her who has a husband.”

    28Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son.”[c] 31Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

    Why you would want to be under the burden of the Law…i don't know

    ???
    James 2:10 (New International Version)

    10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

    jUST SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER

    #157680
     GeneBalthrop 
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    DK…..The subject  Paul is addressing is not if we should keep the commandments or not it is (HOW) we keep them , is it like a slave who is (forced) to obey his master, or is it through a desire to do right by the effectual working of the Spirit of GOD. For the Gentiles who have (NOT) the LAW, but do the things contained in them, are showing the (LAW ) of GOD written on there Heart (BY) the hand of GOD. So are the laws (commandments) of GOD done away with (NO) they are keep in a different and living way. Paul's issue was (HOW) they are Kept not if we should keep them. One is by the way Law (WORKS) forced compliance (like slavery) they other by a new and living way through the spirit of GOD. But we still keep the commandments of GOD. Paul plainly said “what do we nullify the law then, GOD forbid we (ESTABLISH)  it”> IMO

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene

    #157681
     dirtyknections 
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    Quote (Gene @ Nov. 20 2009,02:50)
    DK…..The subject  Paul is addressing is not if we should keep the commandments or not it is (WHO) we keep them , is it laike a slave who is (forced) to obey his master, or is it through a desire to do right by the effectual working of the Spirit of GOD. For the Gentiles who have (NOT) the LAW, but do the things contained in them, are showing the (LAW ) of GOD written on there Heart (BY) the hand of GOD. Sp are the laws (commandments) of GOD done away with (NO) they are keep in a different and living way. Pauls issue was (HOW) the are Kept not that they were done away with.  IMO

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene


    i agree..again…its semantics..we are saying the same thing at the core…….

    As the bible says, “the was a tutor”

    Now we should be able to “Live” the law..not be subject to it…its impossible to keep all to the letter anyway..that was the point of it

    #157683
     GeneBalthrop 
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    DK………Sorry for the errors i have edited and corrected the spelling and add so to it.

    peace and love to you and yours………………gene

    #157811
     Constitutionalist 
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    Quote (dirtyknections @ Nov. 19 2009,07:53)

    Quote (Gene @ Nov. 20 2009,02:50)
    DK…..The subject  Paul is addressing is not if we should keep the commandments or not it is (WHO) we keep them , is it laike a slave who is (forced) to obey his master, or is it through a desire to do right by the effectual working of the Spirit of GOD. For the Gentiles who have (NOT) the LAW, but do the things contained in them, are showing the (LAW ) of GOD written on there Heart (BY) the hand of GOD. Sp are the laws (commandments) of GOD done away with (NO) they are keep in a different and living way. Pauls issue was (HOW) the are Kept not that they were done away with.  IMO

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………..gene


    i agree..again…its semantics..we are saying the same thing at the core…….

    As the bible says, “the was a tutor”

    Now we should be able to “Live” the law..not be subject to it…its impossible to keep all to the letter anyway..that was the point of it


    Why is it “impossible”? Did not the Messiah show that it in fact could be kept? Is it not a defeatist view saying you cannot do something, especially something as simple loving Yahweh and fellow man with all thy heart, might, mind and strength?

    When the Messiah stated go and sin no more, was he joling?

    John 5:14 Afterward Yeshua HaMoshiach findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

    John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

    Sin is and always will be Repugnant to Yahweh:

    Gen 6:6,7; Num 22:32; Deu 25:16; 32:19; 2Sa 11:27; 1Ki 14:22; Psa 5:4-6; 10:3; 11:5; 78:59; 95:10; 106:40; Pro 3:32; 6:16-19; 11:20; 15:8,9,26; 21:27; Isa 43:24; Jer 25:7; 44:4,21,22; Hab 1:13; Zec 8:17; Luk 16:15; Rev 2:6,15

    Sin is and always will be Repugnant to Righteous People:

    Gen 39:7-9; Deu 7:26; Job 1:1; 21:16; 22:18; Psa 26:5,9; 84:10; 101:3,4,7; 119:104,113,128,163; 120:2,5-7; 139:19-22; Pro 18:13; 29:27; Jer 9:2; Rom 7:15,19,23,24; 2Pe 2:7,8; Jud 1:23; Rev 2:2

    So are you a repugnant thing to your brethren and Yahweh?

    Sin separates from Yahweh:

    Deu 31:17,18; Jos 7:12; 2Ch 24:20; Job 13:24; 23:3,8,9; Psa 78:59-61; Isa 59:1,2; 64:7; Eze 23:18; Hsa 9:12; Amo 3:2,3; Mic 3:4; Mat 7:23; 25:41; Luk 13:27; Rom 8:7; Hbr 12:14

    Sin:

    Is the Transgression of the Law 1Jo 3:4

    Is of the Devil 1Jo 3:8; Jhn 8:44

    Whatever Is Not of Faith Is Rom 14:23, so you have no faith?

    If you are a saint:

    Made free from Rom 6:18

    Dead to Rom 6:2,11; 1Pe 2:24

    Profess to have ceased from 1Pe 4:1

    Cannot live in 1Jo 3:9; 5:18

    Resolve against Job 34:32

    The Word of 'Elohim Keeps From Psa 17:4; 119:11

    To refrain from sinning is not impossible.

    Nothing is impossible with the Lord.

    But if you do sin it can be dealt with.

    :cool:

    #157813
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Do we really know what sin is?
    In the psalms we pray for forgiveness of our UNKNOWN sins.

    But is RELEVANT sin not also defined Jn16.8-9?
    Studying ourselves too much can be an unhealthy habit.

    #157818
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 19 2009,18:25)
    Hi,
    Do we really know what sin is?
    In the psalms we pray for forgiveness of our UNKNOWN sins.

    But is RELEVANT sin not also defined Jn16.8-9?
    Studying ourselves too much can be an unhealthy habit.


    Sins of Commission

    Sinful actions

    Violating God's law (Ex 20:1-17)

    Sinful words

    Corrupt talk, filthy talk, foolish talk, jesting, cursing (Mt 12:36,37, Eph 4:29, Eph 5:4, Col 3:8, Jas 3:10)

    Gossip, slander, lying (Ex 20:16 9th commandment, Ps 101:5, Pr 10:18, Pr 17:9, Rev 22:15)

    Sinful attitudes (Jer 6:19)

    Lust is adultery. (Mt 5:28, 2Pe 2:14)

    Hatred is murder. (1Jn 3:11-15) (compare Lev 19:17,18, Mt 5:43-48, Gal 5:19-21)

    Coveting (Ex 20:17 10th commandment)

    Sins of Omission

    Sins of omission (1Sa 12:23, Mt 25:14-30, Jas 4:17)

    :cool:

    #157820
     NickHassan 
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    Hi CON,
    Do you think that is a comprehensive list?

    #157821
     NickHassan 
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    Hi CON,
    Do you think God could only come up with ten things that aggravated Him about men?

    #157933
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick……….I have heard it said Sin simply means to miss the Mark of GOD. One thing for sure it is a killer and does stock everyone like a lion stocking it prey. It can sneak in easily through lusts (in ordinate desires) and Pride, God said Sin Crouched at CAIN'S Door (of his heart),seeking to devour him, and that he must master it. God help us all to master this deadly thing that can and seeks to destory us. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

    #158089
     terraricca 
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    hi nick
    it does not matter how many laws there are Christ sumup in two,if you can come up with anything wath would not be included in those two commendement ,
    please let me know it willbe inlightning to me

    #161677
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    It is not only the anointed men of God that were harvested from Israel before Christ.

    #161678
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    Their resurrection is described in Ez 37.
    Dying bereft of the Spirit they are raised alive in the Spirit to also fulfill Jl2, Is 59, 60, 65 etc

    #162104
     GeneBalthrop 
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    To all………the word (LAW) simply put, means (FORCED COMPLIANCE) and works through the medium of FEAR, and (NO ONE) will be JUSTIFIED before GOD by OBEDIENCE brought about by the (WORKS) of LAW (the way law works). That is clearly Paul's POINT. Forced compliance (working of law) can not change a person Heart and therefore is not acceptable to GOD for Justification. IMO

    peace and love to all……………….gene

    #162107
     NickHassan 
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    G,
    Forced compliance?
    How so?
    Grace?

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