JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Is RATIONAL BEHAVIOUR agreeing with your fanciful logic?

    #798963
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick. ……The only fanciful behavior here is yours, we are agreeing with scriptures, you are the one who isn’t. Tha tshould be obvious to anyone who has the spirit of the truth “in” him. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ………….gene

    #798970
     NickHassan 
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    Hi GB,

    You mean INTELLECT?

    Why do you keep diverting?

    #798976
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Is RATIONAL BEHAVIOUR agreeing with your fanciful logic?

    Rational behavior is acknowledging word use even when it disagrees with your viewpoint.

    For example

    “5. A person as characterized by a stated quality: He is a proud spirit.” (entry for spirit at yourdictionary.com)

    A rational person admits that in English “ministering spirits” can mean that angels are characterized by the stated quality of “ministering”. An irrational denies it.

    #798977
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Is carnal language and dubious logic the basis for spiritual understanding to you?

    Are you the arbiter for true rationality?

    #798979
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    There are many things that scripture does not say.

    To BE a ministering spirit means to HAVE a spirit to you?

    Is this ok by your logic?

    Its the reasoning of certain translators of Scripture.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    A gossip goes around revealing a secret, but a trustworthy person(rū·aḥ) keeps a confidence.

    International Standard Version
    Whoever spreads gossip betrays secrets, but the trustworthy person(rū·aḥ) keeps a confidence.

    rū·aḥ is the Hebrew word translated to spirit 127 times in the NASB with wind or its derivatives as its closest competitor. These translators chose to translate it to spirit at they believed the writers were referring to the whole person by one of the parts of that person.

    Proverbs 11:13 in various translations.

    King James Bible
    A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit(rū·aḥ) concealeth the matter.

    GOD’S WORD® Translation
    Whoever gossips gives away secrets, but whoever is trustworthy in spirit(rū·aḥ) can keep a secret.

    These translators on the other hand chose to translate rū·aḥ as meaning the subject of the clause possesses a trustworthy spirit.

    It does logical reasoning to determine that the words “Are they not all ministering spirits…” can be speaking of angels with ministering spirits” as it is just word use in English and Hebrew.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Is carnal language and dubious logic the basis for spiritual understanding to you?

    Are you the arbiter for true rationality?

    Why are you arbitrarily labeling words that disagree with the teaching “carnal”?

    That arbitrariness is the fruit of irrationality.

    You have no reason to label the definitions I quoted from a dictionary as “carnal” while I can say “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing” as I speak about the spirit of angels and you speak of the body of angels.

    I am told that angels can both eat and touch others and so I do not believe they are immaterial being but you try to reconcile what Scripture tells you to the tradition that angels are immaterial creatures. It is your teaching that is based on “dubious logic” and I am just pointing that out.

    #798982
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    So all angels are material beings?

    Any scriptures?

     

    Trying to fit the spiritual ways of God into the ways of carnal men will never work.

    #798984
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Spiritual creatures cannot be touched or each and angels have both been touched and have eaten in Scripture.

    Do you believe was a spirit when he entered the room with his students after his death?

    It is true that some irrationally claim he was a spirit that revealed a flesh and bone body in order to convince his disciples he was not a spirit.

    Since the fact Jesus proved he was not a spirit by both eating and allowing himself to be touched it follows that those two tests are significant to prove any creature that does the same is not a spirit. The angels that visited Lot both ate and were touched by Lot, even as one touched him.

    Your either believe Jesus was not deceptive or that he was and you believe he was not deceptive then it follows that the angels that visited Lots house were not immaterial beings.

    You need to stop holding on to the tradition you were taught and start believing all of Scripture.

    #798994
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    So a few examples is ample proof to you of a general state involving all?

    Jesus was raised in his fleshly body to fulfill the sign of Jonah.

     

    You not being able to grasp everything using reason,

    is no excuse to suggest Jesus is deceptive is it?

    #799051
     GeneBalthrop 
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    Nick……so NICK, KERWIN has shownyou scripturial proof, that angels are not spirits, but have spirits “in” them, i have also shown you this over and over, and that spirits are types and kinds of intellects that give their destinct attributes to a person.

    We are two withiness that you are not speaking the truth about spirits being angels, we both have used scriptures to prove our points,but you refusal to accept it only shows your lack of scripturial understanding on this subject. You personal slanders toward us others here only shows where your heart really is, you simply cannot admit you are wrong, no matter how much proof is given you.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene

    #799061
     NickHassan 
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    Hi GB,

    Yes that is the level of proof that you are happy with.

    And your own imaginations are sufficient for you to say spirit is intellect.

     

    The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom.

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     carmel 
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    Spiritual creatures cannot be touched or each and angels have both been touched and have eaten in Scripture.

    Kerwin,

    We have a complete misconception regarding the SPIRITUAL CREATURES!

    spirits have bodies, but there actual body element is the tiniest, DUST LIKE SUBSTANCE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GOD’S ELEMENT WHICH IS

    THE UNIQUE FINEST DUST LIKE ELEMENT WHICH COULD ENTER IN THE SPEED OF LIGHT, THROUGH THE MOST HARDEST MATTER, WHICH PURPOSELY CONTAINS POURS!

    THE FACT THAT GOD SAID TO ADAM,

    DUST YOU ARE AND ADAM WAS NOT IN THE TRUTH DUST, BUT A LIVING SOUL, SO,HE SHOULD HAVE SAID:

    DUST YOU WERE

    BUT IN THE TRUTH HE SAID IT TO SATANA, WHO HAD THEN,JUST ENTERED ADAM , AND IN A WAY,TEMPORARY OWNED HIM,

    NOW, BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT IS NOT MY CONCERN,

    SPIRITUAL HEAVENLY CREATURES, SINCE THEY ARE WITHIN GOD’S POWER, AND HAVE THE SPEED OF LIGHT,ACCUMULATE, AND FORM IN NO TIME AT ALL,

    ALL WHAT GOD THROUGH THE POWER OF HIS WORD ORDERS

    FLESH COUNTS FOR NOTHING FOR GOD

    THIS SIMPLY MEANS THAT ONCE GOD PRONOUNCE HIS SPECIFIC WORDS, TO PARTICULAR ANGELS, THEY WOULD FORM ACCORDING TO THEIR SPECIFIC ORDER AND LEVEL OF GLORY, THE HUMAN BEING BODY!

    So one body would contain thousands of different spirits:

    JUST REFLECT: HOW MANY SPIRITS ENTERED THOSE PIGS AND THEY ALL WERE KILLED! THOSE SPIRITS WERE ALL WITHIN THAT EVIL MAN!

    IT WOULD BE SO IN LESS THEN A TWINKLE OF AN EYE!

    IT IS THE SPIRIT WHICH GIVES LIFE

    IT IS THE SPIRIT WHICH ACTUALLY FORM, CREATES, AND ESTABLISHES ALL

    OUR FLESH IS MORTAL ONLY TO RESPECT THE STATE OF THE MORTAL SPIRIT SATANA!

    FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY: IF SATANA WERE TO CONVERT, IN THAT INSTANT,”THE WORD” FROM WITHIN HIM WOULD GIVE HIM ETERNAL LIFE AND THE ENTIRE CREATION WOULD NEVER SEE DEATH!

    NOW, SATANA IS IN FACT THE DUST THAT WE WALK ON EVERY THEY, THE ASHES WHICH COMES FROM VOLCANOES, THE ONLY VISIBLE ELEMENT WHICH GOD CREATED TO MANIFEST SATANA’S SPIRIT IN!

    JESUS MANIFESTED THIS IN THE MIRACLE OF JERICO, WHEN HE PUT SATANA’S ELEMENT : DUST, SPIT ON IT TO DEMONSTRATE HIS SUPERIORITY, AND WHO WAS IN ACTUAL FACT GOD OF THE WORLD, AND REMOVED SATANA’S SPIRIT FROM IT!

    Ezekiel 28:Thou wast in the pleasures of the paradise of God: every precious stone teas thy covering: the sardius, the topaz, and the jasper, the chrysolite, and the onyx, and the beryl, the sapphire, and the carbuncle, and the emerald: gold the work of thy beauty: and thy pipes were prepared in the day that thou wast created.

    IN THE ABOVE SCRIPTURE GOD MADE IT CLEAR THAT IN ORDER TO APPRECIATE LUCIFER’S ACTUAL VISIBLE SUBSTANCE, WITHIN THE FIRST EVER WORLD, CREATED BY LUCIFER HIMSELF, IN FULL HARMONY WITH GOD, DECLARED HEREUNDER:

    ECCLESIASTES: 1:10 NOTHING UNDER THE SUN IS NEW, neither is any man able to say: Behold this is new: for it hath already gone before in the ages that were before us.

    GOD WITHIN “THE WORD” HIDDEN IN LUCIFER AS HIS LIFE SOURCE, CREATED THE ABOVE MOST PRECIOUS STONES

    WHICH ALTHOUGH IT WAS MATTER, IT COULD BE REVERSIBLY BACK TO SPIRIT IN NO TIME AT ALL SINCE GOD IS ETERNAL.

    IN THIS KIND OF CREATION, IN GOD’S LOVE,

    THE SPIRITUAL CREATURES WOULD BE IN AN UNFATHOMABLE AND INIMITABLE BLISS, WHICH COMES FROM GOD IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN CREATION IN EXISTENCE!

    THIS WAS DEPICTED IN JESUS’ WORDS:

    John10:I am the door. By me, if any man enter in, he shall be saved:

    and HE SHALL GO IN, AND GO OUT, AND HAVE PASTURES

    CLEAR, THE SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO MAN, IS A REFERENCE TO THE SOUL, IN THE SPIRITUAL STATE,THROUGH JESUS’PROCESS, SYMBOLICALLY FROM WATER TO WINE

    AND THE PHRASE HE SHALL GO IN, AND GO OUT,  IS A REFERENCE THAT WHO ENTER HEAVEN, WOULD HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING BOTH MATTER, AND SPIRIT, AS HE FEELS! AND HAVE PASTURES , MEANS ALWAYS IN EXTREME BLISSS

    17And thy heart was lifted up with thy beauty: thou best lost thy wisdom in thy beauty, I have cast thee to the ground:

    OBVIOUS DUST

    I have set thee before the face of kings, that they might behold thee.

    18……… therefore I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee,

    OBVIOUS THE ACTUAL DEAD MATERIAL WORLD WITH ITS CENTRE,HELL FIRE, WHO REPRESENTS GOD HIMSELF THE CONSUMING FIRE WHICH PURIFIES THE EVIL SPIRITS!

    to devour thee, and I will make thee as ashes upon the earth in the sight of all that see thee.

    AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL CAN WITH OUR EYES SEE THE SIZE OF ONE SPECK OF ASH? IF ANY ONE DOES SO HE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE DEAD LIFELESS SPIRIT OF SATANA IN MATTER FORM, HIS FAVOURITE STATE!

    19All that shall see thee among the nations, shall be astonished at thee:

    AND HOW!!!!!

    thou art brought to nothing, and thou shalt never be any more. ARCHANGEL!

    BUT THE ENTIRE GOD’S KINGDOM VISIBLE TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH,

    BUT THROUGH GOD’S LOVE EVEN IF IT TAKES AN ENDLESS TIME!

    LOVE YOUR ENEMY

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #799095
     NickHassan 
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    Hi C,

    What a vivid imagination you have.

    Technicolor deception.

    #799402
     carmel 
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    What a vivid imagination you have.

    Technicolor deception.

    Nick,

    SO YOU JUST BELIEVE THAT ALL MY POSTS ARE ALL IMAGINATIONS!

    WHICH IN THE TRUTH, IS NOT AT ALL CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT IT IS ONLY A SPECK OF WHAT I, ALWAYS SUBJECT TO THE HOLY SPIRIT’S WILL,

    STILL HAVE TO REVEAL, WITH THE HOPE THAT YOU WOULD REALIZE THAT ON EARTH NO ONE COULD HAVE SUCH, WHAT YOU CALL

    IMAGINATION

    UNLESS IT IS COMING FROM ABOVE

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

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