JOHN 1:1 who is the WORD?

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,17:13)
    Hi ED,
    The Spirit of the Father has been and is poured out but ever lives in God.
    That Holy Spirit in Christ and in the prophets and with the Israelites is called the Spirit of Christ.


    Hi Nick,

    I guess that's the long version of “yes”. :D

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 18 2012,23:43)

    Hi Mike,

    Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands
    of Judah, et out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel;
    whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting(H-5769).

                           H#5769: עוֹלָם
                           Transliteration: olam or olam
                           Phonetic Spelling: (o-lawm')
                           Short Definition: forever

    Luke 1:30-31: And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
    and, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

    God bless
    Ed J


    From NETNotes:
    Micah 5:2
    Heb “from the past, from the days of antiquity.” Elsewhere both phrases refer to the early periods in the history of the world or of the nation of Israel. For מִקֶּדֶם (miqqedem, “from the past”) see Neh 12:46; Pss 74:12; 77:11; Isa 45:21; 46:10. For מִימֵי עוֹלָם (mimey ’olam, “from the days of antiquity”) see Isa 63:9, 11; Amos 9:11; Mic 7:14; Mal 3:4. In Neh 12:46 and Amos 9:11 the Davidic era is in view.

    The Hebrew language doesn't have a specific word for “from eternity” or “forever”.  The words they have refer to “from a long time ago” and “until a long time into the future”.  Sometimes, we can tell from the context that “forever” or “from eternity” is implied, but the same words used in Micah 5:2 also refer to ancient mountains on earth – which we know did not exist from eternity.  (Check out the scriptures listed above to see proof of owlam referring to “the distant past”, but NOT “from eternity”.)

    The fact that Micah 5:2 speaks of Jesus' ORIGINS being from owlam tells us that in this case, it doesn't mean “from eternity”.

    As for Luke 1:31, tell me how you know his name wasn't already Jesus in heaven, and the angel wanted Mary to give him the same name on earth?

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     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,03:04)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,17:13)
    Hi ED,
    The Spirit of the Father has been and is poured out but ever lives in God.
    That Holy Spirit in Christ and in the prophets and with the Israelites is called the Spirit of Christ.


    Hi Nick,

    I guess that's the long version of “yes”. :D

    God bless
    Ed J


    I'm also curious, Nick.  Could you give a non-riddle answer to Ed's question so we don't have to guess what you believe?

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     Ed J 
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    Hi Mike,

    Hebrew doesn't have a specific word for “GOD” either.
    Do you have trouble distinguishing the difference?
    Don't the words LORD and Lord throw you off?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #279366
     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,00:41)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,03:04)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,17:13)
    Hi ED,
    The Spirit of the Father has been and is poured out but ever lives in God.
    That Holy Spirit in Christ and in the prophets and with the Israelites is called the Spirit of Christ.


    Hi Nick,

    I guess that's the long version of “yes”. :D

    God bless
    Ed J


    I'm also curious, Nick.  Could you give a non-riddle answer to Ed's question so we don't have to guess what you believe?


    :)

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     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,08:23)
    Hi Mike,

    Hebrew doesn't have a specific word for “GOD” either.
    Do you have trouble distinguishing the difference?
    Don't the words LORD and Lord throw you off?

    God bless
    Ed J


    Ed,

    Are you adept enough to address my post? Or is it beyond your comprehension?

    Btw, as can be seen from the other thread, it is YOU who has some inconsistencies and misunderstandings about the word “kurios”. :)

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2012,02:32)

    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,08:23)
    Hi Mike,

    Hebrew doesn't have a specific word for “GOD” either.
    Do you have trouble distinguishing the difference?
    Don't the words LORD and Lord throw you off?

    God bless
    Ed J


    Ed,

    Are you adept enough to address my post?  Or is it beyond your comprehension?

    Btw, as can be seen from the other thread, it is YOU who has some inconsistencies and misunderstandings about the word “kurios”.  :)


    misunderstandings about the word “kurios”?

    #279390
     mikeboll64 
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    Yes Ed. Now, back to the discussion we were having in THIS thread:

    Do you understand that “owlam” doesn't always refer to “from eternity”? Have you read the scriptures NETNotes listed where that word refers to things we KNOW aren't “from eternity”?

    Do you acknowledge that the accompanying word “origins” tell us that “owlam”, in the case of Micah 5:2, does NOT refer to “from eternity”, because anyone “from eternity” did not have an origin at all.

    Can you refute the fact that Jesus could have been named Jesus in heaven long before the angel told Mary to name him Jesus on earth?

    See? These are the things we are discussing in THIS thread. Why not address THESE things instead of trying to bring a discussion we're having in a DIFFERENT thread into this one?

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     NickHassan 
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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,20:04)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,17:13)
    Hi ED,
    The Spirit of the Father has been and is poured out but ever lives in God.
    That Holy Spirit in Christ and in the prophets and with the Israelites is called the Spirit of Christ.


    Hi Nick,

    I guess that's the long version of “yes”. :D

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi ED,
    The Spirit of Christ is of the Spirit of God yet one with the Spirit of God.

    #279406
     mikeboll64 
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    What does that mean, Nick? ???

    Is the spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit itself? YES or NO?

    #279408
     NickHassan 
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    Hi MB,
    Yes
    and you need to look more deeply.

    #279413
     mikeboll64 
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    John 16
    7 Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

    Did Jesus mean to say that after HE goes, he will send HIMSELF back to them?  Because the word “him” that Jesus used makes me think that the Counselor is not Jesus himself.

    13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

    Jesus uses “he” alot in these verses, but the part I bolded should be enough for you to recognize that the spirit is not Jesus himself.

    #279421
     NickHassan 
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    Hi,
    The Spirit of truth PROCEEDS from the Father
    Jn15.26
    Jesus Christ proceeded forth and came from God
    Jn8 42

    The Word was with God and was God… and the CHRIST spoke for God

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,10:53)
    Hi MB,
    Yes
    and you need to look more deeply.


    nick

    how deep ,until we see it your way ??

    or as to scriptures ?

    I take scriptures any time ,all of the time

    #279423
     NickHassan 
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    Hi T,
    Don't stumble.
    Follow the light.

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