Jesus came in the flesh and/or changed to flesh

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    I mention that in both in my last post and in one earlier.

    Paul’s words are written to those that have received the Spirit …

    #814584
     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Then why do you apply them to the unsaved?

     

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Jas 1.14

    ‘But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.

    Then when lust has conceived , it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished it brings forth death.’

    So your question does not apply to the embryo or the infant Jesus.

    Was he born with lusts like all men?

    Yes

    Did he sin?

    No

    So he was never under the dominion of sin but became an overcomer to follow.

     

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     kerwin 
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    KW,

    I apply them to all human beings because Paul is teaching those that have received the Spirit about the difference between the old and new covenants. That difference is the same for those that have entered the new covenant and those that have not.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    It is sin in us that is our enemy which is why it is written that the flesh is in conflict with the Spirit. (Galatians 5:17) Under the Law, which is to say the old covenant human beings to not have the tool that needed to win that conflict for the Law existed to teach us what sin is not to overcome it. (Galatians 3:24) That knowledge would later and now does bring believers to Christ.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    The two covenants do not include all men.

     

    We know Jesus was tempted as we are – Heb 4.15-from within as James explains.

    So he was born with the lust all men grapple with.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    No, the two covenants do not cover every human being but those outside of them have even less that those within the old. I do not remember Paul covering the difference between either of them and those outside of them except a few of the Patriarchs.

    I agree that Jesus was born with the same lust other men grapple with.

    The only tool mentioned in Scripture that is powerful enough to overcome that lust is walking according to the Spirit. That is done by faith and by grace.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    You continue to use presumption as a basis for your dogma.

    But Jesus was only said to be led by the Spirit after the Jordan. Lk 4

    Why did you submit yourself to the law when you deny it’s power over sin?

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    But Jesus was only said to be led by the Spirit after the Jordan. Lk 4

    This is a flawed argument as the fact that it is not written that Jesus was tempted by Satan before he was immersed in the Jordon does not mean he was not tempted by Satan previous. Instead it means only that it is not written that he was. In other words you are presuming it does mean he was not led by the Spirit previously. I instead make no such presumption.

    Why did you submit yourself to the law when you deny it’s power over sin?

    The Law is powerless against sin because of the carnal nature of humanity. (Romans 7:24 and Hebrews 7:16) It is the Spirit that empowers one to do that which is written in the Law for what is impossible for humans is possible with God.(Luke 18:27)

    The Law brings us to Christ and through faith in him we both receive and walk according to the Spirit. (Romans 3:22)

    There is no presumptions in those words for they are based on what is written.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    The law is spiritual.

    It is a lamp to the feet of faithful men.

    The Spirit of God is close to all men as Acts 17 tells us.

    But that is not the same as being baptised in the Spirit and being led from within.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    So you say God was unfair.

    You say He gave men an impossible task that required anointing of the Spirit to solve.

    Then your God is not my God.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    You say He gave men an impossible task that required anointing of the Spirit to solve.

    No I am not saying God is unfair you are.

    God did not command the people under the Old Covenant to have a righteousness like his. Instead he allowed them to sacrifice animals to atone for their sins. ( Leviticus 4:20–35) In short he made allowances.

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     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    The law is spiritual.

    It is a lamp to the feet of faithful men.

    The Spirit of God is close to all men as Acts 17 tells us.

    But that is not the same as being baptised in the Spirit and being led from within.

    Yes. that is also why being led to the desert by the Spirit is not the same as being led to bear its fruit.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi KW,

    Wrong.

    He walked by the Spirit into the desert.

    And the same Spirit used him to do all the mighty works of God.

    #814603
     kerwin 
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    Nick,

    I did not say they were too different Spirits but you imply I did. That makes you wrong not me.

    And the same Spirit used him to do all the mighty works of God.

    Yes, but it is still true that:

    Yes. that is also why being led to the desert by the Spirit is not the same as being led to bear its fruit.

    The prophets spoke the word of God as they were carried along by the Spirit but that is not the same as bearing its fruit.

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