Islamic Immigration

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    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    Have you ever studied Islam, t8?

    I was led to Islam, I studied Islam, and I learned heaps from Islam.

    Hi Miia,

    I have studied islam too, and probably a lot more that you.

    The Rechabites of Jeremiah 35 is not about islam – did you somehow think that it was?
    God has indeed forewarned the believers in his Christos about the spirit of antichrist.

    “my Father is greater than I. And now I have told you before
    it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
    …the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” (John 14:28-30)

    If you have studied islam as you claim, then read Gal.1:8 and 2Cor.11:14.
    And also read Jer.23:29-31 to see what the fire the false prophet of
    Revelation 13:13 calls down from heaven in the sight of men is.
    (the ‘book of fraud’ is the false prophet Muhammad’s fire)

    “our God is a consuming fire.” (Heb 12:29)
    “Is not my word like as a fire?” (Jer 23:29)

    “And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet (Muhammad) that wrought miracles before him,
    with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his
    image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)

    #806649
    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image,
    and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
    which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and
    brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment
    ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and
    whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” (Rev 14:9-11)

    #806651
    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    …and God is going to purge the world of this evil.

    “YHVH is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath
    the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

    Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,
    even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.” (Jer 10:10-11)

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    Profile photo of miia miia 
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    The Rechabites of Jeremiah 35 is not about islam – did you somehow think that it was?

    Yes, because God showed me similarities, and how Christianity has failed in some ways.

    “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image,
    and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
    which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and
    brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment
    ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and
    whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.” (Rev 14:9-11)

     

    So, a whole group of people, who were mostly born into the religion, will according to your interpretation be tormented with fire and brimstone forever for following all they have ever know?

    …and God is going to purge the world of this evil.

    “YHVH is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath
    the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.

    Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,
    even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.” (Jer 10:10-11)

     

    Just anger, fire and brimstone, but no mention of the words of Jesus regarding taking care of the hungry, the thirsty, and the needy. Nice! How Christian of you (not).

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    Profile photo of miia miia 
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    I have studied islam too, and probably a lot more that you.

     

    Depends what frame of mind you had at the time! Ed.

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Yes Miia. What did you learn? That Jesus is NOT the son of God? That he didn’t die for our sins? Good you rejected it for the right reason.


    ISLAM: Isa (Jesus) was a Messenger, not son of God

    It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son.

    and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the Truth!

    “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”, but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, certainly they killed him not.


    BIBLE: Jesus is the son of God. He died for our sins so we could move from death unto life. He is the Lamb of God that was slain for us.

    Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.

    For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

     

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    Profile photo of t8 t8 
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    Christianity and Judaism have books (Bible and Talmud) which talks about killing men, woman and children.

    As for the Talmud that is another story, needless to say, we do not cut off their heads miia, we should love them instead.

    Now to the Bible. Is it telling you to kill men, woman, and children anywhere? If so, let’s discuss this before you act.

    You are merely referring to historical events during war when God cut off an evil branch for purposes of saving much evil later on. Pity the souls that grow on an evil branch, but God is God and he is sovereign. I have no problem with God. He knows more than I do.

    Now to the Koran. It is not talking about an incident like that in history miia. When it tells people to behead and kill Christians and Jews, it is telling them this now because they have not accepted Allah and his prophet etc.

    Jesus taught that we should love one another in contrary to the Law and an eye for an eye. Jesus never taught us that it was noble to die in Jihad. He rebuked Peter when he cut someones ear off with a sword. We do not take up literal swords, but the word of God.

    You speak badly about the Bible if you think some verses equate to these Koran verses. But you are entitled to your opinion of course, even if those under Islam do not think you are entitled to your view.

    I do not really believe that you think Islam is that great or beneficial however. Rather I think you are just upset that I told you off by showing you where you erred with me. Some people when rebuked rather than see the rebuke as a way to improve themselves, pride rises up and they start to talk irrationally and in opposition to the person they are upset about and in support of the opposite view of the person they are upset about. If they continue this way, they usually dig themselves a hole and cannot get out because they even go to the extent sometimes of saying things they do not believe themselves, but only say it to offend in order to try and offend the person.

    I hope you are not doing that because you will only hurt yourself. Best thing a person can do is just apologize if they accuse someone of something they didn’t say. Be humble and admit the error. It is good for the soul, good for the person who was accused, and is a good example for others who read this way.

    Proverbs 9:8
    Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you.

    Proverbs 9:9
    Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning.

    Ecclesiastes 7:5
    It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person than to listen to the song of fools.

    Proverbs 17:10
    A single rebuke does more for a person of understanding than a hundred lashes on the back of a fool.

    The Message
    If you reason with an arrogant cynic, you’ll get slapped in the face; confront bad behavior and get a kick in the shins. So don’t waste your time on a scoffer; all you’ll get for your pains is abuse. But if you correct those who care about life, that’s different—they’ll love you for it! Save your breath for the wise—they’ll be wiser for it; tell good people what you know—they’ll profit from it.

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    Profile photo of miia miia 
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    t8.

    You asked what I learned with Islam.

    I saw people who stopped whatever they were doing, wherever they were, get on their knees and pray throughout the day.

    I saw people who refused to drink wine and eat pork, even if they were forced to in camps like Guantanamo.

    I learned that Mohammad did not like pictures/ images.

    I learned to treat animals better.

    I saw a people who defended their faith and lived for God, and much more.

    Allah, BTW is Arabic for God, whom they believe is the God of the Bible.

    I saw a Muslim preacher mocking the fact that Christians call Jesus the Son of God and I decided that I did not want to be a Muslim.

    Then I saw Muslims throughout the world having dreams and visions of Jesus (Isa) calling them to come to him, and I saw them responding.

    I learned that because a majority of Christians have chosen to save their own life, truth is not getting to the Muslims. We have failed.

    I see Syrian refugees, and think of what Jesus said to feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, care for the suffering. And I see Christians who warn us against helping the refugees, by warning that ISIS could be among them – how weak, and anti christlike.

    So, your Christmas day video upset me: http://heavennet.net/forums/topic/islamic-immigration/#post-806516

    Rather I think you are just upset that I told you off by showing you where you erred with me. Some people when rebuked rather than see the rebuke as a way to improve themselves, pride rises up and they start to talk irrationally and in opposition to the person they are upset about and in support of the opposite view of the person they are upset about. If they continue this way, they usually dig themselves a hole and cannot get out because they even go to the extent sometimes of saying things they do not believe themselves, but only say it to offend in order to try and offend the person.

    I hope you are not doing that because you will only hurt yourself. Best thing a person can do is just apologize if they accuse someone of something they didn’t say. Be humble and admit the error. It is good for the soul, good for the person who was accused, and is a good example for others who read this way.

    t8, 😀

    Upset you told me off? I never even noticed you had, lol.

    My mind was on the topic, in which I have much more to say.

    BUT, I can see that the word i used – hate – was too strong – and I apologize for that, and anything else I have wrong.

     

     

     

     

    #806756
    Profile photo of miia miia 
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    When it tells people to behead and kill Christians and Jews, it is telling them this now because they have not accepted Allah and his prophet etc.

    I have not seen that in the Quran, because I have not read the Quran. I only studied their religion/ people.

    Jesus taught that we should love one another in contrary to the Law and an eye for an eye. Jesus never taught us that it was noble to die in Jihad. He rebuked Peter when he cut someones ear off with a sword. We do not take up literal swords, but the word of God.

    How many Christians go to war, despite what Jesus said? How many Christians took part in the Crusades? What motivated George Bush to invade Iraq? What motivates Ed J to claim God is behind eliminating Muslim people in war?

    In the end we are humans, and God judges us on our physical and spiritual actions, because God knows the intentions of our hearts.

    #806758
    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    t8.

    You asked what I learned with Islam.

    I learned to treat animals better.

    Hi Miia,

    Did you know that Muhammad hated dogs, had black dogs killed
    and even barred people from bringing them into the city?

    #806759
    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    Did you know according to ‘sharia law’ there is NO
    punishment for a muslim who kills a non-muslim?

    Perhaps you need to study up on your islam a tad bit more.

    #806760
    Profile photo of miia miia 
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    Hi Miia,

    Did you know that Muhammad hated dogs, had black dogs killed
    and even barred people from bringing them into the city?

     

    I don’t like dogs either. Where i live, savage dogs have killed people.

    I have a Cat!

    #806761
    Profile photo of miia miia 
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    Hi Miia,

    Did you know according to ‘sharia law’ there is NO
    punishment for a muslim who kills a non-muslim?

    Perhaps you need to study up on your islam a tad bit more.

    Hi Ed. What is sharia law — do all Muslims follow it?

    What does it have to do with Syrian refugees, and what Jesus taught us to do?

    #806762
    Profile photo of Ed J Ed J 
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    What motivates Ed J to claim God is behind eliminating Muslim people in war?

    Why are you saying that’s what I claim? I never said that ???

    What I said was: “The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,
    even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.”

    #806763
    Profile photo of miia miia 
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    What motivates Ed J to claim God is behind eliminating Muslim people in war?

    Why are you saying that’s what I claim? I never said that ???

    What I said was: “The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth,
    even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.”

    Nice try Ed.
    You have always said that God is behind the U.S army and its invasions, have you not?

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