February 16, 2016 at 2:34 pm #808987
“Yes the Spirit came down upon him and stayed with him at the Jordan. This was a public recognition that he was the Christ. John was told that the one whom the Spirit comes upon is the Christ and he was recognised as such by many afterward. But he was also recognised before at his birth, when he came in the flesh to be precise.”
But in another post you agreed it was his anointing
So confusingFebruary 16, 2016 at 4:56 pm #809000
I agreed that the Spirit came down on him at the Jordan because that is written and I agree that he was born Jesus Christ and the Lord. Even an angel of God testified to that. If you are confused, then please don’t shoot me. The Spirit leads us into truth. But if we reject scripture because it disagrees with our view, then it is not scripture that should change.
An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
I cling to scripture Nick and what spirit is it that tries to draw men away from scripture and place a snare?February 16, 2016 at 4:59 pm #809001
Actually they are your interpretation of the facts.
No Kerwin. The scriptures I gave are the facts. Look at the one in the above post. That is fact. And it is also a fact that you are trying to draw me away from what it says. Read it carefully and consider the message that the angel of God delivered. If that angel signed up to Heaven Net and spoke to you, you would be arguing against him too.February 16, 2016 at 5:08 pm #809003
Yes you stick to the natural meanings and you miss the Spiritual essence.February 16, 2016 at 5:24 pm #809010
Let me get this straight.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord
Today in the town of David a MAN WHO WILL BECOME savior has been born to you; he WILL BE the Messiah, the Lord at the Jordan.
Please make any corrections to the above if your interpretation of this verse (in purple) is not represented well or correctly.February 16, 2016 at 6:01 pm #809015
Perhaps you can begin to understand prophetic truth?February 16, 2016 at 8:33 pm #809018Ed JParticipant
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In calling him the Christ the angel of God merely demonstrated he was the foreordained to be the Christ. This idea may disturb some free will doctrinalists that think predestination in contrary to there teaching but it is not contrary to Scripture.
You are apparently are ignoring Micah 5:2 as well.
If you are willing to address this, Here’s a (Link)
to a Post of mine where I spell out the details.
Ed JFebruary 16, 2016 at 11:41 pm #809030
Right Nick. lol.
I think I will stick with the meaning clearly conveyed here. I am not into the so-called hidden secrets, but what God has revealed.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the LordFebruary 17, 2016 at 8:39 am #809055
The infant in his mother’s arms was destined to be the saviour.
God would work through him
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel for He has visited us and accomplished redemption for His people.
And He has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of David, His servant.
As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old-salvation from our enemies
and from the hand of all who hate us..
It is the work of God not man.
..Behold this child IS APPOINTED for the fall and rise of many in Israel.
ProphecyFebruary 17, 2016 at 12:21 pm #809076
So he was born the Christ, the Lord, and the saviour? Yes/No.February 17, 2016 at 12:41 pm #809078
The Saviour was born.
Later we would see his anointing and ministry.February 17, 2016 at 4:31 pm #809093
Nick, the Christ was born. God made him both Lord and Christ and the angel declared he was born as such. What comes first, a prophecy uttered by a prophet or the prophet.
Jesus Christ was sent into the world to save sinners. He was born the Christ and acknowledged as the Christ. Also the savior as you say as well as the King of the Jews and the Lord. He has preeminence in all things.February 17, 2016 at 4:34 pm #809094
I wonder if you could do me a favour Nick. Can we let this topic be about Isaiah 41:18? That is what was intended, but we ended up conversing on a subject that spanned over 5 or more topics. I am trying to tidy up a bit and would prefer what we are talking about be continued in the ‘Is Jesus the Logos’ topic or other relevant topic.
Thanks in advance.February 17, 2016 at 4:39 pm #809096
Yes the plan of God is that all living men share His Spirit,
the waters of eternal life,
so all can know God
and be taught by Him.
Jesus as the second Adam showed the way.February 17, 2016 at 5:07 pm #809107
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