Is Jesus the Logos?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi hoghead1,

    The end of your faith is the salvation of your soul as Peter said.

    Hot air does not take you there.

    #814957
     NickHassan 
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    Hi hoghead1,

    Acts 17.18

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     hoghead1 
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    I believe that God is love.  Now, when you love someone you do not seek to coerce them with threats of punishment.  Hence, I believe God saves everyone, not just those who hold with certain doctrines. Too often, faith has been allowed to collapse into intellectual ascent to certain doctrines.  it’s more important what you belie than how you live.  I think it more important to God how you live.  However, the deeper our faith, the more questions we have.  Hence, theology, philosophy, biblical studies, all are important as well. So doctrines and teachings are not just all hot air. They all help enrich the salvation process for you.

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     hoghead1 
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    Yes, that touches on some key points I made in my earlier posts.  Many think God is the complete and total negation of creation.  That means we can know only what God is not, not what God is. Acts is challenging that model of God. Also, bear in mind that Paul has trouble with the world of scholarship in his day.  The Greeks were very prejudicial against Jews, very anti-Semitic.  hence, he would feel deeply alienated from the academies.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi hoghead,

    So having discarded scripture as a foundation you are now able to make pronouncements such as God saves everyone?

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     t8 
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    Too often, faith has been allowed to collapse into intellectual ascent to certain doctrines.  it’s more important what you belie than how you live.  I think it more important to God how you live.  However, the deeper our faith, the more questions we have.  Hence, theology, philosophy, biblical studies, all are important as well. So doctrines and teachings are not just all hot air. They all help enrich the salvation process for you.

    Except the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine. A philosophical one perhaps.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi,

    When the Word was made flesh at the Jordan Jesus Christ became the Word.

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     t8 
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    ◄ Luke 1:35 ►
    The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

    ◄ 1 Corinthians 15:47 ►
    The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven.

    Amen. But not all will believe the second man who is of heaven. They want to believe a man like us. A man from earth.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    It is all about the Spirit using consecrated vessels.

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     t8 
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    Yes it is. And Jesus was born holy, unlike you and I. He is from Heaven.

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi T8,

    Born different and not needing to obey the Law?

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    Are you saying he was not a son of man?

    Jb 25

    Are you saying he was not an  overcomer?

    Rev 3

    Are you saying he was not tempted?

    Heb

     

    Or is it traditional catholic teaching you offer?

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     t8 
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    No Nick, this is your imagination.

    He was born holy, so he was able to resist and not be overcome. He was tempted and it wouldn’t be called temptation if he could not be tempted.

    He was for example seriously tempted to have the cross mission removed, but being obedient, he chose the Father’s will over his in his hour of weakness.

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    T8….Jesus was tempted after he was anointed with the spirit of God, and he was able to overcome SATAN through that spirit given him at the Jordan river. Remember what Jesus said about himself, ‘THE SON OF “MAN” CAN DO “NOTHING” OF HIMSELF, THE FATHER IN HIM DOTH THE WORKS.” Jesus know he had the spirit of God (the word, or logos) “IN” him. But none of that made Jesus that word or logos that was “IN” HIM.

    Why can’t you understand that, you seem to praise Jesus to the exclusion of GOD THE FATHER AS TRINITARIANS DO. JESUS WAS TOTALLY dependent on the FATHER, or haven’t you read this, “THE WORDS OR LOGOS I AM TELLING YOU, ARE “NOT” MINE, BUT THE WORDS OF HIM WHO SENT ME. Now if the words or logos he was telling us were not his, then why call him “the word” himself, and not relize it was GOD THE FATHER “SPEAKING” THROUGH HIM. Why do you rob God the Father, by saying GOD’S words are not GOD’S but jesus’, that is something Jesus never did.

    You seem to be caught somewhere between a trinitarian and a non trinitarian. JESUS never tried to make himself equal with the Father, he was totally dependent on the FATHER, FOR “EVERYTHING” HE HAD, INCLUDING THE WORDS AND LIFE ITSELF, just as we must also.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

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     NickHassan 
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    Hi t8,

    You ascribe to a man a nature, powers and abilities that are of God.

    You fail to recognise God’s work in a human vessel.

    You offer the folly of man’s tradition.

    Honour the special vessel.

    Give glory to God.

     

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