Is Hell eternal?

This topic contains 523 replies, has 25 voices, and was last updated by  GeneBalthrop 3 hours, 36 minutes ago.

  • Author
    Posts
  • #831087
     t8 
    Participant
    • Topics started 890
    • Total replies 18,348

    If the Second Death is eternal, that is a sure way of saying you will never have life.

    #834236
     Alan Finch 
    Participant
    • Topics started 0
    • Total replies 2

    My name is Alan Finch. I became a Christian 42 years ago.

    WOW, I was taught and believed that multitudes upon multitudes of humans will suffer eternal torment for 100 trillion years, and then another 100 trillion years, and then another 100 trillion years, and it goes on and on with no hope of it ever ending. I am certain that each one of us, deep inside of our very being, know that something just does not add up, but we just can’t quite figure out what is it that we are not understanding correctly from the Scriptures.

    The true biblical teaching is neither the traditional Christian view of hell, nor the view of annihilation. Our great God is neither a great torturer nor a great annihilator, but He is the great Saviour of the world.

    The mystery of the finished work of Christ on the Cross will one day reveal the perfect plan of God for the entire human race, which does not include eternal torment or eternal annihilation for one single person!

    I have written an article upon this topic, but it is much too lengthy to post on this site (26 pages). Below is an introduction. If anyone would like a copy in it’s original Word Document Format, feel free to e-mail me and request a copy and I will e-mail you a copy.

    candy33alan@aol.com

    ………. What is the “GOOD NEWS” of the Gospel of Christ? ……….(Re-examining the widely held belief of eternal torment in Hellfire)

    My purpose for this writing is to Biblically expound upon: (1) is there really going to be  eternal torment?” (2) is there really going to be eternal annihilation?  (3) to give a Biblical answer to the question “If there is no eternal torment, and if there is no eternal annihilation of our very being, then what are we being saved from and what is our being here during this present time on earth really all about?”

    I was a Christian for 38 years before I gained a better Scriptural understanding of some Biblical truths that I had not properly understood in regards to the finished work of Christ on the Cross.

     

     

     

    #834237
     NickHassan 
    Participant
    • Topics started 284
    • Total replies 70,325

    Welcome Alan,

    Yes God did not plan anything but good things for the sons of Adam.

    The Lake of Fire was only prepared for the devil and his angels.

    He sent His Son to rescue men and He wants all to be saved.

    What a kind, gracious, patient and merciful God we have.

    #834243
     Jodi 
    Participant
    • Topics started 8
    • Total replies 1,300

    Zech 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

    Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?……29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    Matthew 25:31 And <strong>whenever the Son of Man may come in his glory</strong>, and all the holy messengers with him, then he shall sit upon a throne of his glory; 32 <strong>and gathered together before him shall be all the nations, and he shall separate them from one another,</strong> as the shepherd doth separate the sheep from the goats, 33 and he shall set the sheep indeed on his right hand, and the goats on the left. 34Then shall the king say to those on his right hand, Come ye, the blessed of my Father, inherit the reign that hath been prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 for I did hunger, and ye gave me to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and ye received me; 36 naked, and ye put around me; I was infirm, and ye looked after me; in prison I was, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, and we nourished? or thirsting, and we gave to drink? 38 and when did we see thee a stranger, and we received? or naked, and we put around? 39 and when did we see thee infirm, or in prison, and we came unto thee? 40And the king answering, shall say to them, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] to one of these my brethren — the least — to me ye did [it]. 41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the devil and his messengers; 42 for I did hunger, and ye gave me not to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me not to drink; 43 a stranger I was, and ye did not receive me; naked, and ye put not around me; infirm, and in prison, and ye did not look after me. 44 Then shall they answer, they also, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of these, the least, ye did [it] not to me. 46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.’

    Our God is a consuming fire, God brings men through the fire and refines them, He tries them, he scourges/punishes them to purify them. 

    Mathew 25 Jesus speaks of the adversary/slanderer and his messengers, these are those that did not take care of the poor, they did not feed them, clothe them or take care of them. They were selfish, self righteous people. These are people who mind the things of men instead of God’s ways. Jesus tells us that charity covers a multitude of sins. In Matthew 25 we see that these who were refined have been called to inherit the kingdom as to reign for a thousand years with Christ. There as some being called and put through a fire now, they are known as the elect, the were predestined before the foundation of the world. We are also told in Matthew 25 that the FIRE has also been prepared to PUNISH/Refine those who did not have charity for the poor.

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    The second death represents the end of DEATH, death is the punishment of sin, death is destroyed not because all people who are sinful are destroyed, but because their sinful hearts are destroyed, their hearts have been refined. There is no longer any sin, so therefore their is no longer any death.

    1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 

    Christ reigns for a thousand years. He is to subdue all things under him, and when he is finished God is all in all. Death is the last enemy to be destroyed, death is the enemy because as Paul tells us all our lifetimes we have been in bondage because of the fear of death. Those in the first resurrection cannot be hurt by the second death, they do not live in fear, in anguish, they feel no shame, as they have been set free and have a perfect body. They cannot be hurt by the second death, they are resurrected in joy and peace, not in punishment and refinement. They had gone to their graves having faith. Those who arise in the second resurrection do not have an immortal body but are those still in bondage, they had gone to their graves as unbelievers. They rise to be punished to be put through the fire, where death is destroyed, as their sins are washed clean. DEATH is destroyed because sin no longer exists, God is all in all. 

     

    #834244
     GeneBalthrop 
    Participant
    • Topics started 42
    • Total replies 16,375

    Allen Finch……welcome to the site

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #834251
     NickHassan 
    Participant
    • Topics started 284
    • Total replies 70,325

    Hi,

    Men cannot accept the stark warnings about the second death, the lake of fire and they search for wriggle room.

    Instead they should be repenting and pleading for grace and the vital key to the kingdom, the Spirit.

     

    #834267
     Alan Finch 
    Participant
    • Topics started 0
    • Total replies 2

    My name is Alan Finch. I became a Christian 42 years ago. I am adding an additional comment to my previous comment from yesterday.

    It is important to understand that the Lake of Fire is not a physical Lake of Fire. The Biblical phrase “Lake of Fire” is symbolic for a Spiritual Lake of Fire which is representative of the FIRE of God’s Spirit that is going to do a transforming work of Divine Purification  in each individual that comes before the Great White Throne Judgment. This transforming work from God’s Spirit will give these individuals a full understanding of God’s Boundless Love for them and the entire human race.  (Note: The Scriptures do not reveal how long that this process will take)

    I have written a 26 page article that Biblically deals with this subject extensively. If anyone would like a copy, feel free to e-mail me and ask for a copy, and I will e-mail you a copy.

    Candy33alan@aol.com

    #834273
     Ed J 
    Participant
    • Topics started 155
    • Total replies 27,954

    I have written an article upon this topic, but it is much too lengthy to post on this site (26 pages). Below is an introduction. If anyone would like a copy in it’s original Word Document Format, feel free to e-mail me and request a copy and I will e-mail you a copy.

    candy33alan@aol.com

    Hi Alan Finch,

    Welcome to Heaven Net.
    If your book is in PDF
    I’ll take a copy of it.

    I’ll e-mail you.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #834330
     t8 
    Participant
    • Topics started 890
    • Total replies 18,348

    Eternal judgement is one of the elementary teachings. Wiggle room or not, if it says the wicked shall perish and the unrepentant to destruction, then we need to understand what this means. Perish and destruction in any other topic is not doubted, but when it comes to the wicked and centuries of Catholic doctrine of men being burned in flames alive for all eternity, then suddenly, all consistency is thrown out.

    #834333
     GeneBalthrop 
    Participant
    • Topics started 42
    • Total replies 16,375

    T8….did not Jesus say ” if you being evil know how to give good gifts to your childern”…., he was talking to his deciples right?, now sense he calls them evil, will they also parish? Have you ever thought that perhaps it is the evil itself, that will parish, not the person? Has not God concluded all in unbelife that he might have mercy on all.

    The word hell fire can be taken as “intense judgement”, not necessarily a physical fire. But even spiritually taken it can destory the evil that is in a person and purify him. Remember wher it say “if a man build with wood, hay, and stubble, his works shall be burned up, but him saved , yet by fire”.

    Also if the foot prevent you cut it off, better you enter into the kingdom mained, then to have two feet and be cast int the fire, where the worm dies not and the fire is not quenched. But if the worm does die then the fire will be put out, and that person will be purified yet as by fire. We are all recieving firey trials even now. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. …..gene

    #834336
     NickHassan 
    Participant
    • Topics started 284
    • Total replies 70,325

    Hi Gene,

    Again you develop new teachings of your own to offer instead of scripture.

    You are your own god it seems.

    #834340
     GeneBalthrop 
    Participant
    • Topics started 42
    • Total replies 16,375

    Nick….Everything i mentioned is in scriptures, had you truly known scriptures you would understand that. It’s not my fault you are unable to precieve these things Nick, but if you like please tell me which things i mentioned are not in scriptute and i will try to help you see what i was saying brother.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #834342
     t8 
    Participant
    • Topics started 890
    • Total replies 18,348

    T8….did not Jesus say ” if you being evil know how to give good gifts to your childern”…., he was talking to his deciples right?, now sense he calls them evil, will they also parish? Have you ever thought that perhaps it is the evil itself, that will parish, not the person? Has not God concluded all in unbelife that he might have mercy on all.

    It is common knowledge among those that study the Bible that humanity is sinful and death is the price we pay. Yes we are evil by nature, but God made a way for us to clothe yourselves in righteousness. This is a gift to us and is not because of our own effort. We need to accept this gift of salvation by repenting of our evil ways and turning to God.

    So while the flesh will perish, our souls are preserved and given a new house, a building made by God.

    #834344
     GeneBalthrop 
    Participant
    • Topics started 42
    • Total replies 16,375

    T8….God said the ‘soul’ that sinneth “it” shall die, but we look for the resurection which will wittiness the redemption of our “bodies”. Accrding to the apostle Paul. Jesus never sinned he stillis alive in his original body he was born with. It was not possible for him to lose anything because he never sinned he is in the same body he was born with. “For God did not suffer his soul to see coruption in the grave”. He is alive forever in his original flesh and bone body.

    But none of this has to do with a eternal hell, right?.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ….gene

Viewing 14 posts - 511 through 524 (of 524 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

© 1999 - 2018 Heaven Net

or

Log in with your credentials

or    

Forgot your details?

or

Create Account