April 18, 2018 at 3:12 am #822314
Nick….They are not to separate things being mentioned there, it is speaking about the same thing, Jesus soul, his complete being, a body and breath of life in it. When a man dies his thoughts “parish”, i hardly think that means still living Nick. That is what those scriptures are saying to me. Why even have a resurection if it is not needed?
Peace and love to you and. ……geneApril 18, 2018 at 6:01 am #822315
He who lives and believes in me will never die.April 18, 2018 at 6:37 am #822316
You missed the question.
Did Jesus visit the spirits in prison after his death?
1 Peter 3.18
For Christ who died for sins, once for all, the just for the unjust, so that he might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit; in which also he went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is 8 persons, were brought safely through the water.April 18, 2018 at 7:00 am #822317
2 Cor 5 speaks of the tearing down of the old earthly tent so that we can be clothed with our dwelling from heaven.
But you say that the new dwelling is just the old earthly one? No new body?
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom.April 18, 2018 at 7:26 am #822318
Nick…You need to read more, “though he die” (yet) shall he live. As i recall Jesus said that also, so Jesus was speaking from what you quote from the point of eternal death, or “parishing” not a temporal death. That he often compared to a sleep state, Nick when a man dies he ceases to funtion in any capacity other scriptures support that also, IMO,
John 11:25 says this, “Jesus said unto her, I am the “resurection”, and the life: he that believes in me, “though he were dead” yet shall he live: 26…and whosoever liveth and believes in me shall never die. Belivest thou this?
Notice the words “though he were dead” yet (shall) -future tense-, live. So there are those who believed in Jesus who (are) dead. Another point notice Pryor to Jesus saying that, he said..”ĺ am the resurection”, resurection from what if not the dead?
Now if we consider that Jesus was speaking the words of God as he said else where, ” the words he spoke were “not his” words but the words of him that sent him”, then those words were God the Fathers words, comming out of his mouth, so THE SPIRITS of those who die on this earth, who believe, go to the LORD GOD, and are preserved for a resurection of their bodies in the future. Just as Jesus’ was, So in that sense, those who believe are not dead, even though they die, YET SHALL THEY LIVE, they do not parish by the death of the body, only their bodies do, for a period of time and then they are resurected and given a new body with the spirit added back into it. The new body is spiritually generated by God the Father, like Adam and Eve’s were, a body that could have lived forever scripture says.
I can’t understand why you can’t believe in a actual resurected “Body” Nick? Scripture is full of places mentioning it.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……geneApril 18, 2018 at 7:38 am #822320
I think it means that the believers who are alive when he returns will never die.
They have already passed over from death to life.
They will not be naked but the new body will be put over the old.
The rest are raised in their old bodies to face the judgement.April 18, 2018 at 12:52 pm #822325
Nick….To me the best scriptures that clearly explains it, is John 5:24-29
Notice what Jesus say about hearing his words (and) believes on him that sent him, (God the Father) has (present tense) everlasting life and shall not come to condemnation; but is passed (present tense) death unto life.
Verse 25, deals with those who are spiritualy dead now, that is why he says (and “now” is) those were people of that time who were spritually dead, even as we were at one time, and will hear the voice of the son of God: and they that hear shall (future tense) live.
Verse 28, marvel not at this: for the hour is comming, in which all that are (in the graves) shall hear his voice, 29, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation or judgement.
Fact is we have all done good and evil in our lives, the only difference is we have already have accepted the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins and it takes away our evil, so we have a resurection of life, while those who have not excepted, a resurection of judgement, because their sins remain on them.
Peace and love to you and yours. ……geneApril 18, 2018 at 7:07 pm #822329
John 5 shows the two resurrections.April 18, 2018 at 8:49 pm #822341t8Participant
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It is true that only the righteous inherit eternal life. The wicked are cast into hell and hell is cast into the Lake of Fire, the second death. This is written.
If we are born again, we will be God’s children. We know we belong to God because we will love. Those who love not do not belong to God because God is love. The Pharisees were religious in their doctrines, but they lacked the more weighty things. We need to learn from their error. Such religious men tend to accuse those who belong to God, even more than those who are not religious. These religious men engage in criticism day and night. Beware their leaven.April 19, 2018 at 7:09 am #822360
Indeed avoid the leaven of the pharisees.
Let your light shine before men.April 19, 2018 at 11:43 pm #822374miiaParticipant
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Love is being humble and seeing only ourselves as the worst sinner. Treating people equal regardless of their status, education, beliefs or lifestyle. And forgiving easily.April 20, 2018 at 1:50 am #822375
Miia, well said, Jesus told us to have salt in ourselves and peace also, so we all need to be ourselves, but still maintain peace and love for one another, especially those of the house hold of God. IMO
peace and love to you and yours. …….geneApril 20, 2018 at 6:21 am #822378
Well spoken Miia.
blessingsApril 21, 2018 at 11:00 pm #822410miiaParticipant
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And blessings to you bothApril 26, 2018 at 2:19 am #822685AnthonyParticipant
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It seems that we just have the wrong meaning of eternal (age) which has a beginning and a end which seem to be many of them (age) all the way till the new heaven and Earth…￼ all so hell as you spoke of….. How could we possibly understand if we don’t look up some of these words …. ( God is a consuming ( fire)?
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