In the Beginning

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     Ed J 
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    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,13:15)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,03:37)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,07:02)

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    Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05)
    T,

    For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan?


    kerwin

    you tell me ???

    A: Because of sin


    edj

    is that the purpose why ???


    Without sin, there is no strife.


    Edj

    So for that reason men can only die at all ages ??? From baby to old age ,why is it that some live longtime and some a few months ???


    Hi Pierre,

    I don't know.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ

    SO THE “STRIVE” IS ONLY BECAUSE ADAM SINNED ???


    Yep


    edj

    so it has nothing to do with what kerwin as quoted right ???

    Quote
    For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan?

    if you say ;yes then explain it to me


    Hi Pierre,

    Strife with God causes death, not life.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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     terraricca 
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    Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,08:46)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,13:15)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2013,03:37)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 19 2013,07:02)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,13:50)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,17:15)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,09:55)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,14:01)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 18 2013,08:56)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 18 2013,13:28)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2013,10:05)
    T,

    For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan?


    kerwin

    you tell me ???

    A: Because of sin


    edj

    is that the purpose why ???


    Without sin, there is no strife.


    Edj

    So for that reason men can only die at all ages ??? From baby to old age ,why is it that some live longtime and some a few months ???


    Hi Pierre,

    I don't know.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ

    SO THE “STRIVE” IS ONLY BECAUSE ADAM SINNED ???


    Yep


    edj

    so it has nothing to do with what kerwin as quoted right ???

    Quote
    For what purpose does God's spirit strive with man in relation to his lifespan?

    if you say ;yes then explain it to me


    Hi Pierre,

    Strife with God causes death, not life.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    :(

    #348178
     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2013,20:10)
    Mike,

    I already conceded Paul may have just been speaking of the chief spirit of God.


    Sorry. I must have missed that post. :(

    #348192
     abe 
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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 17 2013,12:31)
    Kerwin……..They do not understand spiritual things, Mike believes the tree of life is an actual tree, he probably also believes the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is also a literal tree. It is this lack of ability that hinders his understandings of spiritual things IMO. But what's odd, is when God say himself, that there is no other God's  but him, he doesn't take that literally.  So then he sets up his own ideology of “big God ” and “Little God”, to satisfy his false reasonings. IMO

    Peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene


    Hi Gene,

    Amen………………..

    Peace brother.

    #348193
     abe 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    Prov.3:13 How blessed is the man who finds Wisdom And the man who gains understanding.

    14For her profit is better than the profit of silver And her gain better than fine gold.

    15She is more precious than jewels; And nothing you desire compares with her.

    16Long life is in her right hand; In her left hand are riches and honor.

    17Her ways are pleasant ways And all her paths are peace.

    18She is a *Tree of Life* to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.

    19The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, By understanding He established the heavens.

    Is.11:1 Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.

    2The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of
    WISDOM
    and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

    Rev.5:12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and
    WISDOM,
    and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

    Rev.22:1 Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the *Tree of Life,* bearing twelve [kinds of] fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    Lk.7:35 But Wisdom is justified of all her children.

    Peace brother…

    #348233
     kerwin 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2013,07:27)

    Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2013,20:10)
    Mike,

    I already conceded Paul may have just been speaking of the chief spirit of God.


    Sorry.  I must have missed that post.   :(


    Mike,

    Understood.

    #348273
     mikeboll64 
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    Quote (abe @ June 19 2013,21:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    18She is a    *Tree of Life*    to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.


    Hi Abe,

    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?

    #348297
     terraricca 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2013,07:00)

    Quote (abe @ June 19 2013,21:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    18She is a    *Tree of Life*    to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.


    Hi Abe,

    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?


    abe

    Ge 2:9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    this is what scriptures says ;and Adam eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;

    if it was not a real tree why could they eat the fruit thereof ???

    Ge 3:3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”

    Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

    why are they not believing those scriptures ???

    #348311
     abe 
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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2013,17:00)

    Quote (abe @ June 19 2013,21:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    18She is a    *Tree of Life*    to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.


    Hi Abe,

    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?


    Hi Mike,

    (Quote)
    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?

    I did not say that, why do you claim I do?

    Peace brother…

    #348313
     terraricca 
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    Quote (abe @ June 21 2013,11:43)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2013,17:00)

    Quote (abe @ June 19 2013,21:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    18She is a    *Tree of Life*    to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.


    Hi Abe,

    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?


    Hi Mike,

    (Quote)
    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?

    I did not say that, why do you claim I do?

    Peace brother…


    abe

    why did you give the respond ,you did ,was it to deceive ???

    or what ???

    #348314
     abe 
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    Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2013,19:03)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2013,07:00)

    Quote (abe @ June 19 2013,21:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    18She is a    *Tree of Life*    to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.


    Hi Abe,

    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?


    abe

    Ge 2:9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    this is what scriptures says ;and Adam eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;

    if it was not a real tree why could they eat the fruit thereof ???

    Ge 3:3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”

    Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

    why are they not believing those scriptures ???


    Hi T,

    (Quote)
    why are they not believing those scriptures ???

    Why do You deny?

    Ge 3:3 but God did say,

    Ge 3:22 And the *LORD* God said,

    Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us,

    one of us,

    Please tell me who is US ?

    Peace brother…

    #348319
     kerwin 
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    Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2013,11:54)

    Quote (abe @ June 21 2013,11:43)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2013,17:00)

    Quote (abe @ June 19 2013,21:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    18She is a    *Tree of Life*    to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.


    Hi Abe,

    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?


    Hi Mike,

    (Quote)
    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?

    I did not say that, why do you claim I do?

    Peace brother…


    abe

    why did you give the respond ,you did ,was it to deceive ???

    or what ???


    T,

    You should be careful of rushing to judgement. Listen long and let Mike and Abe resolve this situation. If you want to advise Abe to calm down as Mike is only asking a question then that would be beneficial.

    #348332
     terraricca 
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    Quote (abe @ June 21 2013,12:00)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 20 2013,19:03)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 21 2013,07:00)

    Quote (abe @ June 19 2013,21:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    18She is a    *Tree of Life*    to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.


    Hi Abe,

    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?


    abe

    Ge 2:9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    this is what scriptures says ;and Adam eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;

    if it was not a real tree why could they eat the fruit thereof ???

    Ge 3:3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ”

    Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

    why are they not believing those scriptures ???


    Hi T,

    (Quote)
    why are they not believing those scriptures ???

    Why do You deny?

    Ge 3:3 but God did say,

    Ge 3:22 And the *LORD* God said,

    Ge 3:22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us,

    one of us,

    Please tell me who is  US ?

    Peace brother…


    ABE

    please answer my questions ,do not run away ,

    be clear in you comments ,

    #348333
     terraricca 
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    abe

    i have answered many of your questions but you never came back to them and so no rebuttal,it looks like you are more created a diversion ,

    #348334
     terraricca 
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    Quote (kerwin @ June 21 2013,14:57)

    Quote (terraricca @ June 21 2013,11:54)

    Quote (abe @ June 21 2013,11:43)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2013,17:00)

    Quote (abe @ June 19 2013,21:38)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 16 2013,17:20)

    Quote (Ed J @ June 16 2013,13:07)
    Hi Mike,

    What do you believe the “Tree of Life” is then?


    I haven't seen any scriptural reason to think it is anything but an actual tree – the leaves of which will heal the nations, and the fruit of which, if eaten, will endow the person who ate it with eternal life.


    Hi Mike,

    18She is a    *Tree of Life*    to those who take hold of her, And happy are all who hold her fast.


    Hi Abe,

    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?


    Hi Mike,

    (Quote)
    Is it your claim that because the phrase “tree of life” is used metaphorically, it can no longer ever refer to a REAL tree?

    I did not say that, why do you claim I do?

    Peace brother…


    abe

    why did you give the respond ,you did ,was it to deceive ???

    or what ???


    T,

    You should be careful of rushing to judgement.  Listen long and let Mike and Abe resolve this situation.  If you want to advise Abe to calm down as Mike is only asking a question then that would be beneficial.


    K

    you may be right ,but in the context of what “abe writes ,he did not answered truthfully but use a diversion point,

    and then expect others to respond ,and then come up with an question that should not be asked ,or if so EXPLAIN WHY THEN HE GIVE THE ANSWER THAT WAS EXPLAINING HIS UNDERSTANDING IN SCRIPTURES,

    WORDING PLAY ???

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