HolySpirit is GOD: The Father of Jesus Christ

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  • #809724
     miia 
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    Er, Ed…

    you asked two questions which were answered. Then you said ‘the second question does not answer the first question’. Well why did you ask the second question? 😀 It’s like if you ask John “How old are you?”  John says “In my thirties”. You ask “WHERE were you born?”, John says “Timbuktu”. You say “Timbuktu is not an answer to my first question; did you somehow think it was? Now answer my first question!” John, quite perplexed says, “What? Are you on something!?” Then you say, “Are you implying I am a drug addict?”

    Come on, Ed.

    My answer was, and is, ‘Yes, The Holy Spirit is a part of God’. I think that answers your question.

    Do you not believe the Holy Spirit is a part of God, or God’s presence on earth, while the Father is in heaven?

     

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     Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    The HolySpirit is GOD!
    God’s Son partly consists of God…
    …same as all Son’s partly consists of their father.

    The HolySpirit is God’s presence on Earth,
    and Heaven (in the biblical sense) is
    a place of elevation, not a
    physical place.

    If you are still confused on this,
    please feel free to ask more questions.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #809726
     Ed J 
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    “Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool” (Isaiah 66:1)

    #809727
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Ed,

    Sons are no way part of their father.

    Sons of Abraham could rather be sons of Satan.

    #809781
     miia 
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    Hi Ed,

    Jesus said:

    “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak; and he will disclose to you what is to come.” -John 16:13

    So, whatever the Holy Spirit hears he speaks. ‘He does not speak on his own initiative’.

    If the Holy Spirit is God the Father like you teach, then how is the Father, according to you, NOT speaking on his own initiative? (Please answer that).

    It seems more likely that the Holy Spirit is a part of God, which “searches all things, even the deep things of God.” – 1st Corinthians 2:10

    #809805
     Ed J 
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    It seems more likely that the Holy Spirit is a part of God, …

    Hi Miia,

    Here is your logic illustrated:

    If someone shows you a picture of you and asks “is this you?”
    Your answer: No.

    reply: REALLY, No???

    No, that is a part of me.

    _______________________________

    Or better yet, the picture is just of your face.
    Can you not see how silly your argument actually is?
    I believe you answer in this manner to protect your error.

    What error you may ask?

    The belief that “the spirit of Christ” fathered Christ.
    NO, the father’s HolySpirit fathered “the spirit of Christ”.

    “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us,
    and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in
    subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Heb 12:9)

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     Ed J 
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    Hi Miia,

    I believe “part” of your problem is: you are reading corrupt source material.
    I suggest you read the English “AKJV Bible” and get you a “Strong’s Concordance”.

    “why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the HolySpirit”
    “thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts 5:3,4)
    = the HolySpirit is God

    “she was found with child of the HolySpirit” (Matt 1:18)
    “therefore also that holy thing which shall be born
    of thee shall be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35)
    = HolySpirit is GOD: The Father of Jesus Christ

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    God bless
    Ed J

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     942767 
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    Hi Nick:

    I know that you are speaking to Ed, but I would like you to explain why you say that sons are not part of the Father.

    If they, we, are not, then how do you explain what Jesus is speaking of in the following scriptures:

    John 17:
    20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may [f]believe that You sent Me.
    22 The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected [g]in unity, so that the world may [h]know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

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     kerwin 
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    Ed,

    Have you considered that the Holy Spirit is sometimes refereed to the person that walks according to it in order to emphasize the unity of the Spirit. For example “I and God in you and you in I and God”.

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    #809841
     miia 
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    Ed, could you please answer my question?

    Jesus said, “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he (the Holy Spirit) will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak; and he will disclose to you what is to come.” -John 16:13

    So, whatever the Holy Spirit hears, he will speak. He will not speak on his own initiative.

    If the Holy Spirit is God the Father like you say; how does God the Father not speak “on his own initiative”? Whose initiative does he use?

     

     

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     GeneBalthrop 
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    miia….To me the spirit of truth, is “one” of the “seven” spirits of God, and it deals with what we hear, and processes it in our minds, reavealing to us the truth of what it hears, it does not speak of it own , because it has no self function, it simply process what we are hearing and descloses to us, if it is the truth or not. Without that spirit in us we can be easly fooled as the world is. and because that spirit is in us , we can abide in the truth forever it is the earnest of the SPIRITS, given us by the Father, to be with us forever.

    THAT is why scripture says, he would even fool the very elect , “IF IT WERE “POSSIBLE”, You see those who have the SPIRIT OF TRUTH, in them cannot be fooled, because that spirit of truth that abides in us “forever”, it is processing every thing we hear, and reaveals the truth about it to us. THAT IS A MOST PRECIOUS GIFT FROM GOD THE FATHER TO US FOR EVER. IMO

    THEREFORE it SAYS “brethern you have no need of a teacher for the SPIRIT “of truth”, TEACHES US ABOUT ALL THING.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #809894
     NickHassan 
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    Hi 94,

    Jesus Christ is one with the Father by the sharing of the one Spirit at the Jordan

    We too can share that same unity by being reborn from above.

     

    But that fact does not make natural men part of their fathers. They are individuals who do not share anything just because half their genes come from their fathers. Spiritual fatherhood is different from the natural.

    #809905
     miia 
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    Hi Gene.

    The seven spirits are only mentioned in Revelation.

    Revelation 1:4 – John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

    Revelation 3:1 – And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

    Revelation 4:5 – And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

    Revelation 5:6 – And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    Two possibilities (courtesy of Wikipedia) are:

    The Sevenfold Ministry of the Spirit

    In one interpretation, the “Seven Spirits” represent the sevenfold ministry of the Spirit as depicted in the Book of Isaiah. As it is written: “The Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD, and He will delight in the fear of the Lord.” Isaiah 11:2-3 (NASB). Including the Spirit of the Lord, and the Spirits of wisdom, of understanding, of counsel, of might, of knowledge and of fear of the LORD, here are represented the seven Spirits, which are before the throne of God. The reference to the lamb in Revelation 5:6 relates it to the Seven Spirits which first appear in Revelation 1:4 and are associated with Jesus who holds them along with seven stars.

    An alternative view is that the seven graces (“charisma”) of Romans 12:6-8 reflect the seven spirits of God. The Holy Spirit manifests in humankind through these graces, reflecting the seven spirits of Yahweh. The seven graces are: 1) insight (prophecy); 2) helpfulness (service or ministry); 3) instruction (teaching); 4) encouragement; 5) generosity (giving); 6) guidance (leadership); and 7) compassion. This agrees with Isaiah 11:2-3 if “the Spirit of the Lord” is recognized as categorical and “the delight in the fear of the Lord” is added.

    Symbolic of Perfection

    Sevenfold may also be connected with the Biblical understanding of the number 7 representing perfection. The “Seven Fold Spirit of God” could be the “perfect” Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit.

    #809916
     NickHassan 
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    Hi Miia,

    Angels are spirits.

    Hebrews

    #809945
     GeneBalthrop 
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    NICK…..Hebrews sayGOD CREATES HIS ANGELS SPIRITS,THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS SAYING THEY ARE ACTUALLY SPIRIT BEINGS, DOES IT? I know of no scripture that says ANGELS ARE SPIRITS BEINGS. IF THEY WERE SPIRITS AS YOU SAY HOW IS ITTHE EAT MANNA? WHY IS IT CALLED ANGEL’S FOOD, do SPIRITS NEED FOOD? While they may have spirits in them as we do, i have never found a scripture that says they “are” spirits. If you have something that supports your conclusions on this please present it brother.

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

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